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Joelcool7 said:

 

Why does a World War II game not feature... French 


Wow and I thought Call of Duty had a short campaign. This game would be over in 15 minutes. 



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SamuelRSmith said:
I have another question: who the hell cares?

Most people probably don't even pay attention to the setting. I know I don't.


so you don't care if you run through cairo or new york? to see camels instead of horses, to see a pyramid in the backround instead of the empire state building?



HappySqurriel said:
Honestly, I don't think most people care that much about where characters come from or where a story takes place; but I do think most people want their videogames, movies, or books to take place in settings they're familiar with. To a certain extent, being that the American market is so large and (many) Americans are ignorant about the world around them, this limits the number of potential settings ...

Canada has (maybe) 6 cities that Americans would recognise (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto and maybe Ottawa, Quebec City or Calgary); and American's familiarity with Canada is (probably) an order of magnitude greater than any other country in the world. This means that your story has to take place in a world class city (London, Sydney, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Rio de Janeiro, etc.) in order for many Americans to have ever heard of the place; and many world class cities (Buenos Aires for example) would be familiar names to Americans but they wouldn’t have a clue where they are.

Of course, sheltering Americans from their ignorance only keeps them in the dark; and they will probably never consider looking beyond their borders as long as this continues.


As a stupid American I didn't even know there was a Canada.  Please tell me where this magical place is.

I love that stereotypes about other countries aren't allowed but ignorant American ones are.  You do realize we have idiots and geniuses just like every country.  Our idiots are loud sure but that doesn't mean we're all like that.  Steorotypes just make you look stupid to people who know what they're talking about.



voty2000 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Honestly, I don't think most people care that much about where characters come from or where a story takes place; but I do think most people want their videogames, movies, or books to take place in settings they're familiar with. To a certain extent, being that the American market is so large and (many) Americans are ignorant about the world around them, this limits the number of potential settings ...

Canada has (maybe) 6 cities that Americans would recognise (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto and maybe Ottawa, Quebec City or Calgary); and American's familiarity with Canada is (probably) an order of magnitude greater than any other country in the world. This means that your story has to take place in a world class city (London, Sydney, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Rio de Janeiro, etc.) in order for many Americans to have ever heard of the place; and many world class cities (Buenos Aires for example) would be familiar names to Americans but they wouldn’t have a clue where they are.

Of course, sheltering Americans from their ignorance only keeps them in the dark; and they will probably never consider looking beyond their borders as long as this continues.


As a stupid American I didn't even know there was a Canada.  Please tell me where this magical place is.

I love that stereotypes about other countries aren't allowed but ignorant American ones are.  You do realize we have idiots and geniuses just like every country.  Our idiots are loud sure but that doesn't mean we're all like that.  Steorotypes just make you look stupid to people who know what they're talking about.

Maybe you need to re-read my post where I said:

and (many) Americans are ignorant about the world around them

As a general guideline, when people preface a group with a term like "many" they are implying a large portion of people but not necessarily the majority and certainly not everyone.



The industry will always go the way they see more profit, so they will make many games related to the biggest consumers, the Americans. Canada is full of nice people that would never rob banks as your posts suggests, so why would we want more Canadian games. Canada is so safe they brag they can leave their doors unlocked all day and they just grow long beards, drink beer and watch hockey. Making a game in a culture like that sounds boring. Bring the action to gun crazy America where we will fight you for saying your French.

Why should you care really though Joel, Canada is almost exactly like America. Most people do not care if a game takes place is space, hell, Japan, fantasy land, Russia, the desert, the ocean or anywhere. I would be happy to have games from many locations real or made up. This patriotic thing you got going is strange and sounds too American.



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HappySqurriel said:
voty2000 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Honestly, I don't think most people care that much about where characters come from or where a story takes place; but I do think most people want their videogames, movies, or books to take place in settings they're familiar with. To a certain extent, being that the American market is so large and (many) Americans are ignorant about the world around them, this limits the number of potential settings ...

Canada has (maybe) 6 cities that Americans would recognise (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto and maybe Ottawa, Quebec City or Calgary); and American's familiarity with Canada is (probably) an order of magnitude greater than any other country in the world. This means that your story has to take place in a world class city (London, Sydney, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Rio de Janeiro, etc.) in order for many Americans to have ever heard of the place; and many world class cities (Buenos Aires for example) would be familiar names to Americans but they wouldn’t have a clue where they are.

Of course, sheltering Americans from their ignorance only keeps them in the dark; and they will probably never consider looking beyond their borders as long as this continues.


As a stupid American I didn't even know there was a Canada.  Please tell me where this magical place is.

I love that stereotypes about other countries aren't allowed but ignorant American ones are.  You do realize we have idiots and geniuses just like every country.  Our idiots are loud sure but that doesn't mean we're all like that.  Steorotypes just make you look stupid to people who know what they're talking about.

Maybe you need to re-read my post where I said:

and (many) Americans are ignorant about the world around them

As a general guideline, when people preface a group with a term like "many" they are implying a large portion of people but not necessarily the majority and certainly not everyone.

Same can be said for any country so why bring it up?  Many Canadians are ignorant along with many from the UK and France.  It's a useless comment that shows ignorance.  Should have said Canada if you didn't want to mean it as an insult.



voty2000 said:

Same can be said for any country so why bring it up?  Many Canadians are ignorant along with many from the UK and France.  It's a useless comment that shows ignorance.  Should have said Canada if you didn't want to mean it as an insult.


UK and France would probably be awful choices with Canada's history and close ties to both ...

Most people in most countries are fairly ignorant about large portions of the world but they tend to be fairly knowledgeable about portions of the world that have particular meaning for their country or in their personal life. The United States is unusual because people get by without needing to know anything about the outside world.

There is a joke I have heard several times which, while not entirely fair, is loosely related to this topic. The Joke is "What do you call someone who only speaks one language? An American" ... The same can be said in most English speaking countries because (for the most part) British and American economic dominance over the past centuries has resulted in most of the world adapting to us to some extent. On a cultural level something similar can be said about Americans; while most of the world is bombarded by American culture in movies, music, books and videogames Americans tend not to pay attention to a lot of what is happening in the rest of the world. Many good movies from around the world are watched throughout the world and then are "re-made" for American audiences, often being changed fairly dramatically to suit American tastes.



HappySqurriel said:


UK and France would probably be awful choices with Canada's history and close ties to both ...

Most people in most countries are fairly ignorant about large portions of the world but they tend to be fairly knowledgeable about portions of the world that have particular meaning for their country or in their personal life. The United States is unusual because people get by without needing to know anything about the outside world.

There is a joke I have heard several times which, while not entirely fair, is loosely related to this topic. The Joke is "What do you call someone who only speaks one language? An American" ... The same can be said in most English speaking countries because (for the most part) British and American economic dominance over the past centuries has resulted in most of the world adapting to us to some extent. On a cultural level something similar can be said about Americans; while most of the world is bombarded by American culture in movies, music, books and videogames Americans tend not to pay attention to a lot of what is happening in the rest of the world. Many good movies from around the world are watched throughout the world and then are "re-made" for American audiences, often being changed fairly dramatically to suit American tastes.

I didn't mean Canada was ignorant of the UK and France, I meant that all three have people that are ignorant of many other countries same as the US.  I will agree that the US isn't bombarder with with other cultures but there is a growing amount of people seeking foreign culture like films and music.  Fact is, before now it wasn't affordable to watch films from over seas because no US company would import them.  With the internet now more and more people are experiencing foreign intertainment, with subtitles. 

I agree now that you weren't trying to be a prick but there are many on the site that think less of USA simply because we don't like football/soccer as much and say crap like we are mindless sheep that buy any crappy tech or we're all arrogant a**holes.  I can't count how many time I have seen Americans called mindless sheep I mean, that's the only reason we buy the Xbox 360 apparently.  We're all idiots.



crissindahouse said:
SamuelRSmith said:
I have another question: who the hell cares?

Most people probably don't even pay attention to the setting. I know I don't.


so you don't care if you run through cairo or new york? to see camels instead of horses, to see a pyramid in the backround instead of the empire state building?

Not really. I just assume most places are fictitious, anyway. Even if they are supposed to be based on a location, they're not. They have a couple of components (like, Cairo would have pyramids in the background), but the rest of the city would be nothing like Cairo, it would just be generic Arabic culture... so, really, what does it matter?

Like, the thread creator is complaining about too many games being based in the US, and not enough in Canada. Aside from a couple of token assets, the cities would be the same, anyway, in a game. So, outside of some kind of odd nationalism, there would be nothing to gain from games being based in Canada, versus the USA.



SamuelRSmith said:
crissindahouse said:
SamuelRSmith said:
I have another question: who the hell cares?

Most people probably don't even pay attention to the setting. I know I don't.


so you don't care if you run through cairo or new york? to see camels instead of horses, to see a pyramid in the backround instead of the empire state building?

Not really. I just assume most places are fictitious, anyway. Even if they are supposed to be based on a location, they're not. They have a couple of components (like, Cairo would have pyramids in the background), but the rest of the city would be nothing like Cairo, it would just be generic Arabic culture... so, really, what does it matter?

Like, the thread creator is complaining about too many games being based in the US, and not enough in Canada. Aside from a couple of token assets, the cities would be the same, anyway, in a game. So, outside of some kind of odd nationalism, there would be nothing to gain from games being based in Canada, versus the USA.

hmm what does it matter? no clue i just don't get how someone could have the same fun playing in new york 100 times in a row instead of playing in cairo, berlin, marseille, melborne and so on...if i wouldn't care about that i could play only in a game with white wall around me. something like wolfenstein just in white.  if i don't care how the world i play in looks, yep, then i think i wouldn't care if new york, hamburg, stockholm or white walls...