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noname2200 said:
Train wreck said:

I cant invest in Microsoft gaming division, I have to use the entire company as a proxy. So im going to make the comparsions accordingly.  

The logic is flawless, folks. Thus, the winner of this generation is indisputable to any investor.

I know right?  Im guessing thats why Nintnedo wants to capitalize on Apple success with their own tablet.



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Train wreck said:

I know right?  Im guessing thats why Nintnedo wants to capitalize on Apple success with their own tablet.

Not to mention the upcoming 3DS LitePhone.



Chrizum said:

Train Wreck is absolutely right.

At Microsoft, they don't even look at their divisions numbers. Nobody at the Microsoft Entertainment Division has any responsibilty, because they can just point to the company's numbers. In fact, that's why Microsoft is such a profitable company, nobody knows and cares how the money is earned, they all just look at the fiscal year's numbers and call it a day.

And yes, Xbox was a much more succesful product than even the PS2, GameCube and Gameboy Advance combined. Just take a look at Microsoft's revenue numbers from those years.

This! Nobody at MS knows what he's doing. That's how Windows, Windows CE/Mobile/Phone, Office, XB1 and XB360 RRoDded initial versions were born. 



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RolStoppable said:
Train wreck said:

 

Im not joking

Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same.

Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings.

If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.

You heard it here first, folks. The PlayStation 2 didn't win the sixth generation. It was Microsoft.

Hahaha! You crack me up sometimes :D



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Train wreck said:
Play4Fun said:
Train wreck said:

Im not joking

Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same.

Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings.

If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.

 

You said MS won this gen in profits and sales, which is wrong. Nintendo did.

And what do you mean MS is a "whole" company like Nintendo.

Nintendo is a gaming-only company. MS isn't.

If you are going to do comparisons, you compare Nintendo to MS' gaming division, not the whole company.

I cant invest in Microsoft gaming division, I have to use the entire company as a proxy. So im going to make the comparsions accordingly.  

According to your logic this would mean that Apple won this generation? Since they're the most valued company in the world... I see...

 

All hail Apple, our new (gaming) overlords!



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According to your logic this would mean that Apple won this generation? Since they're the most valued company in the world... I see...

 

All hail Apple, our new (gaming) overlords!

A company's valuation is derived from their marketcap which takes their stock price and multiples it by the shares outstanding, its not based on revenue and income.  Apple is the most valuable company based on that metric, but it has nothing to do with who has made more money.

Even with apple's massive year last year, microsoft still has made more money over the past 7 years.  Try again though.



Pemalite said:

Even on paper today's graphics cards wipe the floor the the PS3 and XBox's Graphics chip.

For the sake of it... I'll omit the memory bandwidth numbers because in a console they can pair it up with whatever expensive yet stupidly fast memory they want anyway.

PS3:
24 Pixel Shaders, 8 Vertex Shaders, 24 Texture mapping units, 8 Render output pipelines, 550mhz core clock.

Xbox 360: 48 Unified shaders. (Both Pixel and Vertex use the same pipelines.), 16 Texture mapping units, 8 Render output pipelines, 500mhz core clock.

$100 PC graphics card (Radeon 6750):
720 Stream processors. (VLIW5, comparitively would be 144 SP's.), 36 Texture mapping units, 16 rops, 700mhz core clock.

If you go with the Wii U's rumoured 46xx class graphics chip:
320 Stream processors, (64 SP's.), 32 Texture mapping units, 8 Render output Pipelines, Core clock of 500mhz - 1ghz.

VLIW5 architectures that the WiiU uses is generally rather efficient and allows for more throughput per shader cluster than what the PS3 and Xbox is capable of, so even if it *did* have the same amount of shaders it would be far more efficient at pixel and vertex shading with the additional benefit of being able to do geometry shading amongst other things.
Graphics architectures like Fermi and Southern Islands is more geared towards compute, VLIW4 and to a lesser extent VLIW5 is incredibly efficient at graphics  tasks.

If the Wii U is going to be "minimum" in next gen consoles, that should mean some pretty impressive graphics.

Hold a sec there. I know rumors talked about a rv700 chip, not the one on the 46xx family but the one found in the HD4770. When did that change?



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Train wreck said:

According to your logic this would mean that Apple won this generation? Since they're the most valued company in the world... I see...

 

All hail Apple, our new (gaming) overlords!

A company's valuation is derived from their marketcap which takes their stock price and multiples it by the shares outstanding, its not based on revenue and income.  Apple is the most valuable company based on that metric, but it has nothing to do with who has made more money.

Even with apple's massive year last year, microsoft still has made more money over the past 7 years.  Try again though.

So now we're comparing Apples 1 year to Microsofts 7 yearS? Seems fair...



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So now we're comparing Apples 1 year to Microsofts 7 yearS? Seems fair...

Well, apple gaming would have started during the generation that the 360 was released right? you did say this generation? Apple been making iphones since 07, ipad since 09 (edit 2010)?



DanneSandin said:
Train wreck said:

According to your logic this would mean that Apple won this generation? Since they're the most valued company in the world... I see...

 

All hail Apple, our new (gaming) overlords!

A company's valuation is derived from their marketcap which takes their stock price and multiples it by the shares outstanding, its not based on revenue and income.  Apple is the most valuable company based on that metric, but it has nothing to do with who has made more money.

Even with apple's massive year last year, microsoft still has made more money over the past 7 years.  Try again though.

So now we're comparing Apples 1 year to Microsofts 7 yearS? Seems fair...

Also reading would help Im tallying the total of apple from 2005 to present and microsoft from 2005 to present.  Apple had a great year last year, even with it, microsoft has made more money.  But this OT has gone on long enough.