Roma said: DanneSandin said: Train wreck said:   That is what the defintion of "winning" the generation has been. And it has been universally accepted until this generation when the one who won by that metric was not expected by anyone and was not wanted to win by those who felt had ownership of the industry (the gaming "media" and the "core" gamers).  So other metrics have been adopted to try to create the result that everyone anticipated and wanted for this generation. These are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Nintendo has won this generation. Mike from Morgantown Headcount & Revenue Growth Microsoft's worldwide headcount and revenue growth for the past 10 fiscal years are summarized below (click headings to sort): Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23% June 30, 2010 88,596 $62.48B 7% $18.76B 29% June 30, 2009 92,736 $58.44B -3% $14.57B -18% June 30, 2008 91,259 $60.42B 18% $17.68B 26% June 30, 2007 78,565 $51.12B 15% $14.07B 12% June 30, 2006 71,172 $44.28B 11% $12.60B 3% June 30, 2005 61,000 $39.79B 8% $12.25B 50% June 30, 2004 57,086 $36.84B 14% $8.17B 8% June 30, 2003 54,468 $32.19B 13% $7.53B 29% June 30, 2002 50,621 $28.37B 12% $5.35B -28%   Im sure youll be hard pressed to find anywhere Nintendo has beat these numbers.  I mean these are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Microsoft has won this generation. Is that for their whole company or just the game devision? That’s the entire company. Their games division had billions in losses :P   I think he is joking though

Im not joking

Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same.

Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings.

If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.

what ever makes you happy

Train wreck said: Roma said: DanneSandin said: Train wreck said:   That is what the defintion of "winning" the generation has been. And it has been universally accepted until this generation when the one who won by that metric was not expected by anyone and was not wanted to win by those who felt had ownership of the industry (the gaming "media" and the "core" gamers).  So other metrics have been adopted to try to create the result that everyone anticipated and wanted for this generation. These are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Nintendo has won this generation. Mike from Morgantown Headcount & Revenue Growth Microsoft's worldwide headcount and revenue growth for the past 10 fiscal years are summarized below (click headings to sort): Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23% June 30, 2010 88,596 $62.48B 7% $18.76B 29% June 30, 2009 92,736 $58.44B -3% $14.57B -18% June 30, 2008 91,259 $60.42B 18% $17.68B 26% June 30, 2007 78,565 $51.12B 15% $14.07B 12% June 30, 2006 71,172 $44.28B 11% $12.60B 3% June 30, 2005 61,000 $39.79B 8% $12.25B 50% June 30, 2004 57,086 $36.84B 14% $8.17B 8% June 30, 2003 54,468 $32.19B 13% $7.53B 29% June 30, 2002 50,621 $28.37B 12% $5.35B -28%   Im sure youll be hard pressed to find anywhere Nintendo has beat these numbers.  I mean these are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Microsoft has won this generation. Is that for their whole company or just the game devision? That’s the entire company. Their games division had billions in losses :P   I think he is joking though   Im not joking Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same. Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings. If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.

You said MS won this gen in profits and sales, which is wrong. Nintendo did.

And what do you mean MS is a "whole" company like Nintendo.

Nintendo is a gaming-only company. MS isn't.

If you are going to do comparisons, you compare Nintendo to MS' gaming division, not the whole company.

Edit: and BTW, MS took heavy losses with Xbox while Nintendo made profits even with the GC.

Play4Fun said: Train wreck said: Roma said: DanneSandin said: Train wreck said:   That is what the defintion of "winning" the generation has been. And it has been universally accepted until this generation when the one who won by that metric was not expected by anyone and was not wanted to win by those who felt had ownership of the industry (the gaming "media" and the "core" gamers).  So other metrics have been adopted to try to create the result that everyone anticipated and wanted for this generation. These are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Nintendo has won this generation. Mike from Morgantown Headcount & Revenue Growth Microsoft's worldwide headcount and revenue growth for the past 10 fiscal years are summarized below (click headings to sort): Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23% June 30, 2010 88,596 $62.48B 7% $18.76B 29% June 30, 2009 92,736 $58.44B -3% $14.57B -18% June 30, 2008 91,259 $60.42B 18% $17.68B 26% June 30, 2007 78,565 $51.12B 15% $14.07B 12% June 30, 2006 71,172 $44.28B 11% $12.60B 3% June 30, 2005 61,000 $39.79B 8% $12.25B 50% June 30, 2004 57,086 $36.84B 14% $8.17B 8% June 30, 2003 54,468 $32.19B 13% $7.53B 29% June 30, 2002 50,621 $28.37B 12% $5.35B -28%   Im sure youll be hard pressed to find anywhere Nintendo has beat these numbers.  I mean these are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Microsoft has won this generation. Is that for their whole company or just the game devision? That’s the entire company. Their games division had billions in losses :P   I think he is joking though   Im not joking Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same. Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings. If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.   You said MS won this gen in profits and sales, which is wrong. Nintendo did. And what do you mean MS is a "whole" company like Nintendo. Nintendo is a gaming-only company. MS isn't. If you are going to do comparisons, you compare Nintendo to MS' gaming division, not the whole company.

I cant invest in Microsoft gaming division, I have to use the entire company as a proxy. So im going to make the comparsions accordingly.  

Train wreck said: Play4Fun said: Train wreck said: Roma said: DanneSandin said: Train wreck said:   That is what the defintion of "winning" the generation has been. And it has been universally accepted until this generation when the one who won by that metric was not expected by anyone and was not wanted to win by those who felt had ownership of the industry (the gaming "media" and the "core" gamers).  So other metrics have been adopted to try to create the result that everyone anticipated and wanted for this generation. These are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Nintendo has won this generation. Mike from Morgantown Headcount & Revenue Growth Microsoft's worldwide headcount and revenue growth for the past 10 fiscal years are summarized below (click headings to sort): Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23% June 30, 2010 88,596 $62.48B 7% $18.76B 29% June 30, 2009 92,736 $58.44B -3% $14.57B -18% June 30, 2008 91,259 $60.42B 18% $17.68B 26% June 30, 2007 78,565 $51.12B 15% $14.07B 12% June 30, 2006 71,172 $44.28B 11% $12.60B 3% June 30, 2005 61,000 $39.79B 8% $12.25B 50% June 30, 2004 57,086 $36.84B 14% $8.17B 8% June 30, 2003 54,468 $32.19B 13% $7.53B 29% June 30, 2002 50,621 $28.37B 12% $5.35B -28%   Im sure youll be hard pressed to find anywhere Nintendo has beat these numbers.  I mean these are businesses. To them it is about profit and sales. And there Microsoft has won this generation. Is that for their whole company or just the game devision? That’s the entire company. Their games division had billions in losses :P   I think he is joking though   Im not joking Microsoft is a whole company like Nintendo so I'm trying to keep the comparsions the same. Repeating the mantra of "Microsoft gaming divisions had billions in losses" is honestly old and tired.  Comapnies do not live in the past.  RROD and the recall occored in what 2007?  Microsoft came out with thier first system to losses in what, 2001?  The fact that the company was able to weather both and now is laughing all the way to the bank is encourging to me as an investor in the stock.  Microsoft is trying to take the cyclicality out of its gaming business and make it more subscription based with xbox live and the services it brings. If my investment philosophy was as narrowminded as your one liners, ill probably be broke on the street somewhere.   You said MS won this gen in profits and sales, which is wrong. Nintendo did. And what do you mean MS is a "whole" company like Nintendo. Nintendo is a gaming-only company. MS isn't. If you are going to do comparisons, you compare Nintendo to MS' gaming division, not the whole company. I cant invest in Microsoft gaming division, I have to use the entire company as a proxy. So im going to make the comparsions accordingly.

Point is  MS have not had more sales or profits with Xbox 360 than Nintendo has had with Wii this generation.

I guess Nintendo will never win in this case

Train Wreck is absolutely right.

At Microsoft, they don't even look at their divisions numbers. Nobody at the Microsoft Entertainment Division has any responsibilty, because they can just point to the company's numbers. In fact, that's why Microsoft is such a profitable company, nobody knows and cares how the money is earned, they all just look at the fiscal year's numbers and call it a day.

And yes, Xbox was a much more succesful product than even the PS2, GameCube and Gameboy Advance combined. Just take a look at Microsoft's revenue numbers from those years.

Roma said: I guess Nintendo will never win in this case

Haven't you heard? They're d0med.

Also, this thread's gone horribly offtopic.

The logic is flawless, folks. Thus, the winner of this generation is indisputable to any investor.

Cheebee said: Roma said: I guess Nintendo will never win in this case Haven't you heard? They're d0med. Also, this thread's gone horribly offtopic.

I never believed that until now