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sperrico87 said:
killerzX said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


 

What the fuck are you talking about?  Firstly, "we" are leaving the Middle East.  Secondly, how would minimizing the security make us less vulerable to terrorists?  "We" are not destroying ourselves within our borders; we are defending ourselves.   The more effort, the less casualties.

Absolutely wrong.  Have you read at all about the reasons for the attack on 9/11?  We had bases on the Muslim Holy Lands, and we kept interjecting into other nation's internal affairs.  Without being asked to.  We created the problem of them wanting to come here in the first place.  If you don't realize that, then you can't begin to understand how to resolve this.

And, no, we are not leaving the Middle East.  I have no idea where you're getting that from.  We have bases all over the place over there.  And when we pulled most of the combat brigades out of Iraq last year (for purely political reasons) we replaced them all with DoD contractors, who by the way, cost MORE than combat troops. 

I would argue that there is a big difference between defending ourselves and overreacting to something that our government's policies caused in the first place.  And private airport security NOT run by bureaucrats would do a much better job with safety, and they would do it without destroying the 4th amendment.

actually you are wrong about the reason they attacked us. sure thats something they say when the talk to western media, but when they talk amongst themselves it much different. this i why they attacked us, i will paraphrase a quote of why Osama bin Laden said they attacked us.

"our talks with the infidel west, ultimately revolve around one thing, and that is to submit to islam either willingly or by the sword because non believers cannot live"

so yeah, they pretty much attacked us because we arent Muslim and dont live in  a Muslim society.

and with what the TSA are doing is bring us closer to that society.

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?


Neither does Japan, Korea, China, Russia, South America, or much of Africa and Europe.  Seems like if your reason for them wanting to come here and attack us was true, all of those other non-Muslim regions would be regularly under threat, too.  Yet, they're not.

And prior to us invading the Middle East and trying to re-mold them into puppet democracies, there were very few terrorist attacks against Americans.  After we invaded and began this ridiculous "War on Terror", there have been more terrorist attacks against Americans than occurred during all the time before 9/11.

your wrong about that to0.

Europe gets tons of attacks, as well as many other regions.

also, this is what OBL said, the leader of al-quada. those are his words. they hate us because our way of life, our liberty and freedom, they hate are Christianity and our religious freedom. they hate our support of isreal.

many of these things are unique to the US or are more predominent in the US.

if you listen to the reasons they attack us, its because of the teachings of islam to kill, infedels, the non-believers.

the US is the polar opposite of their society, we are tolerant, we have/had true freedom, their society seeks to control everone, and have people submit to islam or die.

thats something the US has never experienced, but now they are winning, we are becoming more like their totalitarian society, with things like the TSA.

so, no you are wrong, listen to why they attack us, they dont mention our presence in the middle east, except when the talk to the west., to get them to sympathize with their cause, their jihad.



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Galaki said:
killerzX said:

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?

It feels safer in the heart. Like santorum said, he speaks what feels right in his heart, even if it's completely false. And that's what matter.

well i dont really know what santorum has to do with this, but for me i certainly would not feel safer in the heart with this kid being searched.

in fact less safe because i would now they are devoting my time and resources to people who pose no threat and less time with people that actually do.

the TSA has been largely ineffective at stopping terrorism, usually terrorist plots are stopped not because of them, but in spite of them. like the underwear bomber.



Galaki said:
killerzX said:

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?

It feels safer in the heart. Like santorum said, he speaks what feels right in his heart, even if it's completely false. And that's what matter.


I'd rather vote for someone who is completely right than completey wrong.  Santorum is an intolerant authoritarian, and the last thing we need in this country is more of that.



 

killerzX said:
Galaki said:
killerzX said:

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?

It feels safer in the heart. Like santorum said, he speaks what feels right in his heart, even if it's completely false. And that's what matter.

well i dont really know what santorum has to do with this, but for me i certainly would not feel safer in the heart with this kid being searched.

in fact less safe because i would now they are devoting my time and resources to people who pose no threat and less time with people that actually do.

the TSA has been largely ineffective at stopping terrorism, usually terrorist plots are stopped not because of them, but in spite of them. like the underwear bomber.

santorum was an example.

It wasn't to make it safer. It was to make it feel safer.



killerzX said:
sperrico87 said:
killerzX said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


 

 

actually you are wrong about the reason they attacked us. sure thats something they say when the talk to western media, but when they talk amongst themselves it much different. this i why they attacked us, i will paraphrase a quote of why Osama bin Laden said they attacked us.

"our talks with the infidel west, ultimately revolve around one thing, and that is to submit to islam either willingly or by the sword because non believers cannot live"

so yeah, they pretty much attacked us because we arent Muslim and dont live in  a Muslim society.

and with what the TSA are doing is bring us closer to that society.

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?


Neither does Japan, Korea, China, Russia, South America, or much of Africa and Europe.  Seems like if your reason for them wanting to come here and attack us was true, all of those other non-Muslim regions would be regularly under threat, too.  Yet, they're not.

And prior to us invading the Middle East and trying to re-mold them into puppet democracies, there were very few terrorist attacks against Americans.  After we invaded and began this ridiculous "War on Terror", there have been more terrorist attacks against Americans than occurred during all the time before 9/11.

your wrong about that to0.

Europe gets tons of attacks, as well as many other regions.

also, this is what OBL said, the leader of al-quada. those are his words. they hate us because our way of life, our liberty and freedom, they hate are Christianity and our religious freedom. they hate our support of isreal.

many of these things are unique to the US or are more predominent in the US.

if you listen to the reasons they attack us, its because of the teachings of islam to kill, infedels, the non-believers.

the US is the polar opposite of their society, we are tolerant, we have/had true freedom, their society seeks to control everone, and have people submit to islam or die.

thats something the US has never experienced, but now they are winning, we are becoming more like their totalitarian society, with things like the TSA.

so, no you are wrong, listen to why they attack us, they dont mention our presence in the middle east, except when the talk to the west., to get them to sympathize with their cause, their jihad.

This piece was written in September 2002, and it is pretty self-explanatory:

"A Department of Defense study in 1997 concluded that: "Historical data show a strong correlation between US involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States." Former president Jimmy Carter, some years after he left the White House, was unambiguous in his concordance with such a sentiment: "We sent Marines into Lebanon and you only have to go to Lebanon, to Syria or to Jordan to witness first-hand the intense hatred among many people for the United States because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers -- women and children and farmers and housewives -- in those villages around Beirut. . . . As a result of that . . . we became kind of a Satan in the minds of those who are deeply resentful."

"The terrorists responsible for the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 sent a letter to the New York Times which stated, in part: "We declare our responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region."

It is America's ridiculous endeavor to endlessly give aid and support to Israel, among many other acts, that causes them to target America over many other developed, rich nations.



 

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sperrico87 said:
killerzX said:
sperrico87 said:
killerzX said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


 

 

actually you are wrong about the reason they attacked us. sure thats something they say when the talk to western media, but when they talk amongst themselves it much different. this i why they attacked us, i will paraphrase a quote of why Osama bin Laden said they attacked us.

"our talks with the infidel west, ultimately revolve around one thing, and that is to submit to islam either willingly or by the sword because non believers cannot live"

so yeah, they pretty much attacked us because we arent Muslim and dont live in  a Muslim society.

and with what the TSA are doing is bring us closer to that society.

on another note to those who think what the TSA did here is fine. answer this: By the TSA agent molesting/searching this kid, did it make that flight in anyway safer?


Neither does Japan, Korea, China, Russia, South America, or much of Africa and Europe.  Seems like if your reason for them wanting to come here and attack us was true, all of those other non-Muslim regions would be regularly under threat, too.  Yet, they're not.

And prior to us invading the Middle East and trying to re-mold them into puppet democracies, there were very few terrorist attacks against Americans.  After we invaded and began this ridiculous "War on Terror", there have been more terrorist attacks against Americans than occurred during all the time before 9/11.

your wrong about that to0.

Europe gets tons of attacks, as well as many other regions.

also, this is what OBL said, the leader of al-quada. those are his words. they hate us because our way of life, our liberty and freedom, they hate are Christianity and our religious freedom. they hate our support of isreal.

many of these things are unique to the US or are more predominent in the US.

if you listen to the reasons they attack us, its because of the teachings of islam to kill, infedels, the non-believers.

the US is the polar opposite of their society, we are tolerant, we have/had true freedom, their society seeks to control everone, and have people submit to islam or die.

thats something the US has never experienced, but now they are winning, we are becoming more like their totalitarian society, with things like the TSA.

so, no you are wrong, listen to why they attack us, they dont mention our presence in the middle east, except when the talk to the west., to get them to sympathize with their cause, their jihad.

This piece was written in September 2002, and it is pretty self-explanatory:

"A Department of Defense study in 1997 concluded that: "Historical data show a strong correlation between US involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States." Former president Jimmy Carter, some years after he left the White House, was unambiguous in his concordance with such a sentiment: "We sent Marines into Lebanon and you only have to go to Lebanon, to Syria or to Jordan to witness first-hand the intense hatred among many people for the United States because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers -- women and children and farmers and housewives -- in those villages around Beirut. . . . As a result of that . . . we became kind of a Satan in the minds of those who are deeply resentful."

"The terrorists responsible for the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 sent a letter to the New York Times which stated, in part: "We declare our responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region."

It is America's ridiculous endeavor to endlessly give aid and support to Israel, among many other acts, that causes them to target America over many other developed, rich nations.

again, thats what they say to the rest, when they speak amongst themselves, its a very different tone.

unless you dont believe bin laden himself, and his reason.

also europe is probably attacked more than the US, you seem to have this delusion that only the US is a target, when infact europe is attacked at least as much.



Turkish said:
Cheebee said:

Lulz. The written comments that pop up in that vid are hilarious.
'My little boy was trembling with fear, he wanted me to hug him, but we were told we couldn't come near him!!'

Yeah right. The kid honestly didn't look like he gave a crap. Talk about paranoid parents. xD

It's just a procedure everyone has to follow. Boo-hoo, so what if the kid's in a wheelchair, he didn't looked bothered at all, if anything, just interested. Notice how he was looking over at the airport personnel all the time, wanting to check everything that was going on around him, and *not* over at his parents? (whom he *would* be looking at if he'd really been trembling with fear and longing for a loving hug to comfort him)

If they start making exceptions, it'll quickly become a mess.

Its not wether the kid gave a crap or not, its suspecting a kid in a wheelchair to be a terrorist. Having your family been violated like this, you approve? How will it quickly becoming a mess? Planting C4 in the wheelchair?

Okay, how exactly is the family 'violated' as you call it? The guy checking the kid did so within minutes, the kid was not stressed out or scared at all (although the parents' written comments in the vid would have you think otherwise). So tell me again, how is this family being violated? If the kid had been crying and the whole thing had taken a long time, or the guy would've had the kid's clothes taken off or hurt him or something, then yes, one might call that 'violation', but the case in this vid? Not at all. Simply standard procedure.

As for your 1st question, yes, I approve. I don't have kids, but if I did, and this happened to them, I'd be fine with it. I would also be fine with it if it happened to me. I'm quite sure the guy performing the procedure didn't think the kid was a terrorist either, but he was just doing his job.

As for things quickly becoming a mess, there I was referring to the airport personnel making exceptions. If they start making exceptions for kids in wheelchairs, then others will want to be excepted too. Like babies. Old people. Blind people. Deaf people. Mentally disabled people. I could go on, but you get the point. They simply cannot start making exceptions in some cases, and not in others.



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Cheebee said:
Turkish said:
Cheebee said:

Lulz. The written comments that pop up in that vid are hilarious.
'My little boy was trembling with fear, he wanted me to hug him, but we were told we couldn't come near him!!'

Yeah right. The kid honestly didn't look like he gave a crap. Talk about paranoid parents. xD

It's just a procedure everyone has to follow. Boo-hoo, so what if the kid's in a wheelchair, he didn't looked bothered at all, if anything, just interested. Notice how he was looking over at the airport personnel all the time, wanting to check everything that was going on around him, and *not* over at his parents? (whom he *would* be looking at if he'd really been trembling with fear and longing for a loving hug to comfort him)

If they start making exceptions, it'll quickly become a mess.

Its not wether the kid gave a crap or not, its suspecting a kid in a wheelchair to be a terrorist. Having your family been violated like this, you approve? How will it quickly becoming a mess? Planting C4 in the wheelchair?

Okay, how exactly is the family 'violated' as you call it? The guy checking the kid did so within minutes, the kid was not stressed out or scared at all (although the parents' written comments in the vid would have you think otherwise). So tell me again, how is this family being violated? If the kid had been crying and the whole thing had taken a long time, or the guy would've had the kid's clothes taken off or hurt him or something, then yes, one might call that 'violation', but the case in this vid? Not at all. Simply standard procedure.

As for your 1st question, yes, I approve. I don't have kids, but if I did, and this happened to them, I'd be fine with it. I would also be fine with it if it happened to me. I'm quite sure the guy performing the procedure didn't think the kid was a terrorist either, but he was just doing his job.

As for things quickly becoming a mess, there I was referring to the airport personnel making exceptions. If they start making exceptions for kids in wheelchairs, then others will want to be excepted too. Like babies. Old people. Blind people. Deaf people. Mentally disabled people. I could go on, but you get the point. They simply cannot start making exceptions in some cases, and not in others.

They already are pushing for exceptions. I think it was 7 or lower and 70 or higher are excempted from gropping. There's also an "express" lane where you can pay $100 to apply for and you don't have to go through gropping.



Galaki said:

They already are pushing for exceptions. I think it was 7 or lower and 70 or higher are excempted from gropping. There's also an "express" lane where you can pay $100 to apply for and you don't have to go through gropping.

Really? That's awkward... Soon we'll have terrosrists paying extra to blow up planes?



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The terror threat from septuagenarians is apparently not as high as those young whippersnappers who are merely of retirement age. At least according to the Transportation Security Administration, which next week will begin testing new, less-intrusive, screening procedures for travelers 75 years of age and older.

The tests, which will be similar to how the TSA screens children under 12 years old, will start March 19 at Chicago O'Hare, Denver International, Portland International and Orlando International airports.

Passengers in this age group will not have to take off their shoes or light outerwear at screening. And if an alarm sounds, they have the choice of resolving the issue with a screening that doesn't require TSA agents get all rubby and touchy.

Only after this secondary, no pat-down process fails to reconcile whatever is setting off the alarm will the shoes have to come off and the TSA hands get grabby.