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zarx said:
VGKing said:

Battery life is an issue. The new iPad will have similar battery life to a PS Vita when playing graphically intensive games.
With a new iPad release each year, battery life can only go down. The iPad3 is already getting fatter instead of thinner. This is because this was necessary to maintain similar battery life to the iPad 2 despite the big increase in power.


The extra battery is more for the screen and 4G, and to a lesser extent the extra RAM.

4G kills battery life in any device. That was the reason for the Droid Razr Maxx. I'm sure we'll be seeing more LTE devices that use similarly beefed up batteries in the future. 

I can only imagine how much battery life would be boosted when switching to WiFi only on any LTE device. 



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Yes, lets all trust Epic games ( a company that not only requires consoles to be technologically advanced to make money, but has also shown its complete inability to understand the gaming market) on what the next consoles should do.



So much hate towards Epic in here, which I think is awkward coming from a core gaming community. Epic is with us, not against us. Everything companies say is not cynical. What if they just like to get powerful consoles to allow them to make what they're most passionate about, advanced graphics?



scottie said:
Yes, lets all trust Epic games ( a company that not only requires consoles to be technologically advanced to make money, but has also shown its complete inability to understand the gaming market) on what the next consoles should do.


Wait what? 

In terms of sales they are the most successful independent developer of this generation, they made $23 million by selling a $5.99 game on a platform where everyone else was saying that you couldn't be sell a game for more than $0.99. Not to mention the fact that they have the most popular game engine license arround.

Because if that is the kind of success that an inability to understand the market brings I got to stop trying to understand things. 



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greenmedic88 said:
It was an odd quote, but I don't see how he came to the conclusion

If: the next Xbox/PS4 cannot comfortably run UE4 to Epic's satisfaction

Then: Apple "wins"

Presumably, Apple wins means that all the major developers will bypass publishing on the Xbox 3/PS4 and instead, what; divert all resources to iOS game development?

As long as it remains profitable to publish for Xbox and Playstation platforms, developers will take the resources allotted within the hardware and press on from there.

If the suggestion is that if the next gen of consoles isn't a mind blowing leap over the 7th, that consumers will bypass buying them and instead do all their gaming on iOS devices, then I think everyone can reach their own conclusion regarding the likelihood of that scenario.

Lastly, and I don't think this is what he was specifically referring to, but if the next generation of consoles don't use leading edge hardware and specs, they will age very rapidly relative to iOS devices like the iPad that receive annual spec updates.

In a world with annual updates for Android OS and iOS devices, the traditional 4-5 year hardware cycle itself seems dated.

There would be an advantage to a slower update cycle, however. Stability, time to master the hardware and optimize use of APIs and such. I'm all for the rapid advance of technology, but the stability afforded by dedicated consoles has to be valued by some developers in lieu of an ever-shifting environment, especially given how long large games take to develop.

If anything, there are elements stumping for longer generations than there already are. Quite a few PS360 gamers i've heard tend to be in that crowd.



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Imagine if you bought every single iteration of the ipad. You would blow through about 1.5k in less than 3 years. With that kind of money you could build a super PC and preform upgrades on it. I understand that most people are too stupid to even pop the case off a computer and install memory or a graphics card even though these tasks are about as easy as can be.  Almost everyone is talking about these amazing ipad specs but they are about the same as my refurbished computer or worse (refurbished cost me 500 after tax).  I also can easily upgrade my memory from 8 to 16 gig when needed or my graphics card.  Have fun playing on your ipad.  Like I give a shit that I can't take my desktop PC outside to play on.  That is why I have a 3DS...



zarx said:
scottie said:
Yes, lets all trust Epic games ( a company that not only requires consoles to be technologically advanced to make money, but has also shown its complete inability to understand the gaming market) on what the next consoles should do.


Wait what? 

In terms of sales they are the most successful independent developer of this generation, they made $23 million by selling a $5.99 game on a platform where everyone else was saying that you couldn't be sell a game for more than $0.99. Not to mention the fact that they have the most popular game engine license arround.

Because if that is the kind of success that an inability to understand the market brings I got to stop trying to understand things. 


I can't believe you're actually claiming this. They have no idea how to respond to the current gaming market. They will have some successes, sure, because they have a lot of talented people working there. But they are directionless and lost.

 

"We don't make games for the Wii because we don't see a market for the kinds of games we make – let's be honest,”

 

This is not the first time they have stated that all a console needs to succeed is to be like the PS3. This is a console that sent a company from 75% market share to 28% in a single generation. If the PS4 is as bleeding edge as the PS3 was, there will not be a PS5. The PS3 only survived because, at the start of its lifetime, even for the first 2 years, all the game developers assumed it would dominate and thus made games for it. Sony was also in a much better financial situation then.

 

Nintendo aren't making a bleeding edge console, Sony cant. All that leaves is MS making a bleeding edge console, and accepting that all their multiplat games will be made for the PS4+Wii U and ported. How exactly would that help them against Apple?

 

Epic games cannot understand that people do not care about graphics. They honestly believe that nearly our entire choice is made based on polygon count, instead of gameplay.



Mr Khan said:

There would be an advantage to a slower update cycle, however. Stability, time to master the hardware and optimize use of APIs and such. I'm all for the rapid advance of technology, but the stability afforded by dedicated consoles has to be valued by some developers in lieu of an ever-shifting environment, especially given how long large games take to develop.

If anything, there are elements stumping for longer generations than there already are. Quite a few PS360 gamers i've heard tend to be in that crowd.

The slower the hardware cycle, the more developers can do with less, but this tends to be more out of necessity than anything else. People naturally expect the next game in a series to be technically improved over the previous one just as much as most developers want to improve their games from one project to the next.

Regular updates in hardware at a rapid turnover rate really just describes PC gaming as newer and faster components are constantly being released. It's not like developers are ever at a loss of figuring out how to utilize the additional resources. Typically the limiting factor is developing for the lowest common denominator (trumped only by time/budget) without making the games themselves feel or look dated. So long as developers aren't tasked with learning an entirely new or radically different development environment, most if not all welcome the extra resources. 

If you approach things from a gamer's standpoint, sure; the ones who want current hardware platforms to last as long as humanly possible are typically the ones who just don't want to shell out for a new platform yet still want access to the latest and best games. The only other people stumping for grandfathered hardware platforms are the companies who sell consoles for the simple reason that it costs hundreds of millions, if not billions to launch a new platform. It's only when returns on old platforms taper off that they have to measure the cost of a new platform launch with the continual losses in revenue due to diminishing sales. 



sethnintendo said:

Imagine if you bought every single iteration of the ipad. You would blow through about 1.5k in less than 3 years. With that kind of money you could build a super PC and preform upgrades on it. I understand that most people are too stupid to even pop the case off a computer and install memory or a graphics card even though these tasks are about as easy as can be.  Almost everyone is talking about these amazing ipad specs but they are about the same as my refurbished computer or worse (refurbished cost me 500 after tax).  I also can easily upgrade my memory from 8 to 16 gig when needed or my graphics card.  Have fun playing on your ipad.  Like I give a shit that I can't take my desktop PC outside to play on.  That is why I have a 3DS...

I can't imagine buying every single iteration of the iPad. I can't even imagine that many consumers who would beyond the Super Apple Fan who feels compelled to keep buying Apple's latest or a 1% er who has enough disposable income to buy as many iPads as they want as quickly as Apple can release them. 

Anyone in the later category wouldn't care about the cost. I can only assume anyone in the former who wasn't also coincidentally in the later as well probably trades in each Apple device towards the cost of their next. Unlike PCs, Apple products actually have a significant resell value. I myself received $900 cash for a refurbished MBP I originally spent $1200 on almost 2 years prior and that was from an Apple reseller, not an individual buyer. 

The current market price of a used 16GB WiFi iPad 2 in excellent condition is $357.25 after the iPad 3 was announced. A new one from Apple currently costs $399. 

That 3DS I bought when it came out lost $80 off the new price of $250 after 4 months by comparison. I'd be lucky to get $150 for it on Ebay less than a year later even with all the games that are installed on it. 

The PC I built with about $1800 worth of components in it wouldn't even fetch $1000 assuming I could even find the perfect individual buyer who was looking for almost exactly the same build. 



Slimebeast said:
So much hate towards Epic in here, which I think is awkward coming from a core gaming community. Epic is with us, not against us. Everything companies say is not cynical. What if they just like to get powerful consoles to allow them to make what they're most passionate about, advanced graphics?

There are PCs for that you know. If they want it on consoles, there must be other, much more important reasons than "We want to be able to make games with high-end graphics". It likely has something to do with such a passion so as to want to bringing bleeding-edge to the masses, or some kind of corporate agenda (which I doubt).

Either way, bringing bleeding-edge HW to gen 8 is not business-wise for any of the big 3, especially not MS, who could be left out of the multiplatform loop and get graphics for the lowest common denominator, rendering their bleeding-edge lead nearly without return.