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teigaga said:
Ajescent said:
teigaga said:
how many people here have a 3DS, Vita or intend on buying one?


3DS no/no

Vita no/yes


I own neither right now but plan on getting both at later dates. The 3DS to me feels like an unfinished piece  of hardware, i'm waiting for a new model or at for them to make the games digitally available. I'll probably pick one up by next spring.

As for the Vita i was very close to buying this at launch, even with the extortionate memory cards. I was going to buy all the psp games i've missed but in the Uk they didn't release the 32GB card, so i thought i'd wait to see if they'd release them anytime soon. But now i think i'll wait till E3 incase of a price drop of either the cards or the system itself.

Considering there's talk of an add-on for the 3DS to add a 2nd analog stick, I'd say yes, it is unfinished and the fact I can't stand Mario means I won't get one.

As for the Vita, my gripe with the X button and the 2nd stick, the fact that there's some many bugs with the interface being reported means I'm waiting until the make a Vita XL or something and by then, they would have obviously fix the software issue until I buy one. I'm not worried about the games because Sony games are my games of choice so I guess that's a lock in for me.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

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Conegamer said:
teigaga said:
Conegamer said:
teigaga said:
Conegamer said:
Not bad.

However, you made one mistake. The Vita will not be getting Dragon Quest X. No console other than those made by Nintendo will be getting DQX, at least for the next 10 years. It just won't happen; Nintendo wouldn't allow their killer app in Japan for the WiiU to be stolen by another company.


I wouldn't be so sure. Their "killer app" was exclusive the ps2 back in 2004, and then it move  to the DS and then was announced for the Wii. To me this  doesn't seem like this the result major bargaining power on the behalf of nintendo but instead, square picking whatever system was most popular at the time. Square announced DQX back in 2008 when the wii selling at the speed of light. The systems active userbase is now drying up, as seen by the poor sales of zelda and the lack of new games. Im sure given some incentive square would put it on the Vita. After all they will benefit from a wider platform of release. As for nintendo stoping it from going multiplat, DQ isn't Nintedo's killer app in japan, theres been one major title released in the last 5 years and it wad released whilst the DS was already a mega success. Nintendo isn't going to waste money trying to secure exclusivity for a title which they will benefit from anyways. 

I'm well aware that the series moved, but it was for one installment only, and all DQ games have been exclusive to one company.

 

Don't expect that to change.

You say your aware but why was that one game on Sonys platform? Square has no loyalty to nintendo they put it on the ps2 because it will sell more. Its simply a matter of money.

Correct. It is a matter of money. So why would SE put a game on a console which is struggling in Japan, the main market for the game. 

And if you reckon Nintendo haven't organised some exclusivity deal with SE, likely the same as MH4, then you're pretty naive. Nintendo won't let this get snatched from them, and so, it's not going to the Vita, or any other console (aside from maybe the 3DS).


We agree its a matter of money, so surely Sony's money + wii + vita +wii U sales= more money for square as opposed to it remaining exclusive to Wii/Wii U. Exclusivity deals aren't the result of every single exclusive game and even still they do not prevent further negotiations. Look at FFXIII going multiplatform.



RolStoppable said:
Ajescent said:

Considering there's talk of an add-on for the 3DS to add a 2nd analog stick, I'd say yes, it is unfinished and the fact I can't stand Mario means I won't get one.

As for the Vita, my gripe with the X button and the 2nd stick, the fact that there's some many bugs with the interface being reported means I'm waiting until the make a Vita XL or something and by then, they would have obviously fix the software issue until I buy one. I'm not worried about the games because Sony games are my games of choice so I guess that's a lock in for me.

This add-on has already been released worldwide, just so you know.

Fail like a sad panda, I didn't know that. I actually thought it was a rumour. All the more reason to wait for a redesign I say.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

teigaga said:
Chark said:
Alright ideas, but your title could do for a rewording...


Its a headline, i want to to grab people attention. By "save", i'm not implying that the system will otherwise be discontinued but that it will fall far short of its potential and of any handheld released in recent years.

Exactly why I don't like the title.  Aside from that, you asked, and I do have a Vita.  Broke down and bought Uncharted even though I intended to wait for Gravity Rush.  It's a great system and despite all the critisism I knew it was designed to succeed, and more so than the PSP ever was.

Some of your points are already there, or in the workings.  

1. I predict memory will see a cut in  a year, probably phasing out the 4gb by including it in system after a while, then reducing the price of larger memory.  If possible maybe even releasing a 64gb card.  

2. PSN has had MINIS for quite a while.  It might not be as easy as some of the competition to publish them but its not so bad and they get pretty good promotion through ps plus.  It's more than I can say for XBLIG who has been under fire recently.  Some people argue that Angry Birds should be available, and it should since it's selling silly stupid crazy numbers for a 20 year old catapult game. For some reason the PS3 Mini didn't make it to the Vita...legal issues perhaps But there are indie titles and plenty of indie developers like working with PSN, it was just the first few years in its infancy that they were turned off.

3. Though its not ideal the Vita has access to a few hundred PSP titles you can buy on the store, in addition all ps1 classics work on remote play.  I know they need to provide them on the system itself and they've announced plans for that.  As for PS2 capabilities, that's still up in the air, maybe through remote play first...though I haven't tested that out yet since I don't have any.

4. I think you went a little harsh to declare some of Sony's first party titles not selling or not selling systems.  Some gamers do follow those specifically, but they won't reach the level of sales that multi-platform games will or the few 360 titles or the almost only noteworthy games on the Wii. That by no means labeles them as failures.  They are turning profit down the road, which should be the indicated, not who is number 1, or even top 10 or 20.  Sony titles are spread thin but they do reach decent numbers by themselves, Uncharted probably the best example, which has been a system seller for many when it comes to Vita.  It's no doubt that there are 3rd party blockbusters in the works, like call of duty, and probably monster hunter for the Japan die hards.  It would be foolish to draw the line that the Vita will never see titles like these, and hopefully occording to developers opinions on the system, the development time for the Vita is fast for a new system, or any system, and we will see big name titles and new titles faster than expected.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

kowenicki said:
VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
Ajescent said:
bonkers555 said:
Ajescent said:
Turkish said:
Stopped reading at number 1, memory cards are a smart way of Sony to earn some bucks, they're not very cheap either.

Funny how everyone must give their 2 cents to save a system/company/etc.

That sounds like something someone new to VGC would say...you shuld know by now that every company is doomed and the people here are the only ones who can save them.


Well to be fair in Sony case they are really finacially doomed. They need a lot of help to resurrect the company as a whole.

My arguement is, they've been doomed finacially (according to VGC posters anyway) since 2006 but yet they are still alive. The people here don't know shit but yet act like they do. 

No... you are just being defensive about a console you are somewhat precious about.

....and can you show me the "doomed financially" threads from 2006, 2007 , 2008 or 2009 please?

Ther VIta IS already in trouble and this is a perfectly reasonable thread where people are entitled to make suggestions.  If all subjects are out of bounds to anyone other than those who can actually directly influence then you may aswell close the forum.


We get it dude. You hate Vita. 

@bold
Funny how you say that when just 2 days ago you told me to leave the Microsoft forum since I wasn't worshipping the Xbox 360. Don't be a hypocrite.

You were in there merely to antagonise with a bucket load of nonsense.. I'm not, I am defending peoples right to have an opinion that isnt based on hate and in this thread most have been fairly constructive.

I dont hate hardware thats your job.


When did I say I hate Xbox 360 or Kinect? NEVER. 

Stop making false accussations. If I was there to "antagonise with a bucketload of nonsense" then so are you right here in this thread. All I do is express my opinion as honestly and in the least offensive way as possible. All the posts I've seen you make are RUDE. I try not to take your comments personally but when you act you like know me, they're kinda hard to ignore.

I have the right to express my opinion just like you do.

So please stay out of Vita threads if you're just here to hate and if you can't resist at least try and not be so rude when expressing your opinions.
Thank You.



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Getting a Vita next week. The amount of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party support it has is a force to be reckon with.

(meaning: someone or something that is important and powerful and must not be ignored)



Chark said:
teigaga said:
Chark said:
Alright ideas, but your title could do for a rewording...


Its a headline, i want to to grab people attention. By "save", i'm not implying that the system will otherwise be discontinued but that it will fall far short of its potential and of any handheld released in recent years.

Exactly why I don't like the title.  Aside from that, you asked, and I do have a Vita.  Broke down and bought Uncharted even though I intended to wait for Gravity Rush.  It's a great system and despite all the critisism I knew it was designed to succeed, and more so than the PSP ever was.

Some of your points are already there, or in the workings.  

1. I predict memory will see a cut in  a year, probably phasing out the 4gb by including it in system after a while, then reducing the price of larger memory.  If possible maybe even releasing a 64gb card.  

2. PSN has had MINIS for quite a while.  It might not be as easy as some of the competition to publish them but its not so bad and they get pretty good promotion through ps plus.  It's more than I can say for XBLIG who has been under fire recently.  Some people argue that Angry Birds should be available, and it should since it's selling silly stupid crazy numbers for a 20 year old catapult game. For some reason the PS3 Mini didn't make it to the Vita...legal issues perhaps But there are indie titles and plenty of indie developers like working with PSN, it was just the first few years in its infancy that they were turned off.

3. Though its not ideal the Vita has access to a few hundred PSP titles you can buy on the store, in addition all ps1 classics work on remote play.  I know they need to provide them on the system itself and they've announced plans for that.  As for PS2 capabilities, that's still up in the air, maybe through remote play first...though I haven't tested that out yet since I don't have any.

4. I think you went a little harsh to declare some of Sony's first party titles not selling or not selling systems.  Some gamers do follow those specifically, but they won't reach the level of sales that multi-platform games will or the few 360 titles or the almost only noteworthy games on the Wii. That by no means labeles them as failures.  They are turning profit down the road, which should be the indicated, not who is number 1, or even top 10 or 20.  Sony titles are spread thin but they do reach decent numbers by themselves, Uncharted probably the best example, which has been a system seller for many when it comes to Vita.  It's no doubt that there are 3rd party blockbusters in the works, like call of duty, and probably monster hunter for the Japan die hards.  It would be foolish to draw the line that the Vita will never see titles like these, and hopefully occording to developers opinions on the system, the development time for the Vita is fast for a new system, or any system, and we will see big name titles and new titles faster than expected.

I don't think mini's are necessarily the answer, although should definitely be available i'm more concerned with the bigger PSN titles like Jouney. It baffles me why sony wouln't push for all future releases, including HD remakes to be on both systems. The lack of ps1 games available on the Vita itself was part of the reason why i didn't buy it at launch, i was planning on getting a few at launch.

I know killzone and Resistance have their fan base but so does every other game. Both games are successful but i'm at it from an opportunity cost perspective. Had sony taken the money their spending on Resistance burning skies and put it into ensure a huge launch year i think would be better off. Before the MHtri was announced for the 3DS i wrote about how sony should have geared that for Vita's launch, sony should have also secured the MH4. I also talked about nagotiating with square to push FFt0's release to december to coincide with the vita's launch and have a vita enhanced version. Here in the west FF would be equally as relevant whereas i feel Resistance will be a flop everywhere. LBP and GT are only 1st party titles i think will create impact.

 



Does anyone else think that Morrowind could be a massive deal or is it just me?



While I think the word "save" is a bit strong I do think they are some good points.

But the main one is without a doubt the software. I have three games for my Vita, Fifa,Uncharted and Super Stardust.

Fifa is pretty good. Uncharted is pretty good and Stardust is pretty good! However the rest of the games are pretty average at best from reviews. Of all the games that are out only Rayman appeals to me but not at it's current £30+ mark. Can get it for my consoles cheaper then that.

But what concerns me is the games coming out. Ports and cash ins. No real IP's that are unique to the console let alone exclusive. If this is how games will be then it will be in deep shit because why would anyone pay £250 to play a port when they can get the real game and the orgional console for that much?

I really hope Sony and third parties can make games purely for the vita that you can't find anywhere else.

But another way they could make it appealing is if they make a "PS2" section on the network with classic ps2 games that are CHEAP.



kowenicki said:
Ajescent said:
kowenicki said:
Ajescent said:
bonkers555 said:
Ajescent said:
Turkish said:
Stopped reading at number 1, memory cards are a smart way of Sony to earn some bucks, they're not very cheap either.

Funny how everyone must give their 2 cents to save a system/company/etc.

That sounds like something someone new to VGC would say...you shuld know by now that every company is doomed and the people here are the only ones who can save them.


Well to be fair in Sony case they are really finacially doomed. They need a lot of help to resurrect the company as a whole.

My arguement is, they've been doomed finacially (according to VGC posters anyway) since 2006 but yet they are still alive. The people here don't know shit but yet act like they do. 

No... you are just being defensive about a console you are somewhat precious about.

....and can you show me the "doomed financially" threads from 2006, 2007 , 2008 or 2009 please?

Ther VIta IS already in trouble and this is a perfectly reasonable thread where people are entitled to make suggestions.  If all subjects are out of bounds to anyone other than thiose who can actually directly influence then you may aswell close the forum.

No, I'm not being defensive about Vita (I don't own one or plan to buy one anytime soon). I said the exact same thing about the 3DS when everyone called doom about it (I don't have a 3DS nor do I plan to get one most likely ever) why? Because I'm capable of looking beyond the here and now. 

I don't know how to search in the VGC archieves if I'm 100% percent honest, I tried entering texts from thread titles that I know existed not so long ago into the "search box" but for whatever reason, they never appear so I'm probably doing something wrong. With that said, am I the only one that remembers threads that would pop up every now and then and some smart arse would reply with "final nail in the coffin" or something similar, I am positive I'm not making that up.

This isn't me being "defensive" just calling for common sense and calm.

The 3ds WAS also in trouble... if you knew a huge price cut was coming to save it then I am very impressed.  The Vita doesnt have the luxury of a price cut coming any time soon unless Sony want to take a major haircut.  Ninty could afford that, Sony cant.

Financial doom threads started in 2010... they have merit and Sony themselves have been taking MASSIVE measures to reduce costs and improve margins since 2010 so they obviously agree.


You're wrong. PS3/Sony were doomed ever since 2006, PS3 was teh doomz becoz of no gaemz and Sony was teh financial doomz becoz of having invested billions in the cell processor and even losing money on the 600$ system. VITA will be fine, Sony doesn't need suggestions posted on a forum. Stop acting like Vita is already doomed and Sony is in dire need of ideas