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What do you think of this?

This is ridiculous, it's 2012! 73 25.26%
 
Backwards and ignorant 64 22.15%
 
This makes me sick 24 8.30%
 
I support this 84 29.07%
 
This poll is slightly biased 26 9.00%
 
I'd go gay for Andrespetmonkey 18 6.23%
 
Total:289
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!



 

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Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!

no fascistic totalitarianism isnt fantastic.

though, free speech, and freedom in general is quite fantastic.

but its quite common for "tolerant" people to be the most intolerant of all. Its usaully those who speak tolerance of everybody, that want most to shut down the speech and ideas of others.

its usually those "close minded, bigoted" individuals, that tolerate the beliefs, views, and practices others, even if they vehemently disagree with them, they still support the right for them to do so.



osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!

no fascistic totalitarianism isnt fantastic.

though, free speech, and freedom in general is quite fantastic.

but its quite common for "tolerant" people to be the most intolerant of all.

Free speech is a great thing, hate speech isn't, and that's what is being stamped out.

Tolerant people, in this case homosexuals, have every right to be intolerant to homopobia and hate speech.



 

Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!

no fascistic totalitarianism isnt fantastic.

though, free speech, and freedom in general is quite fantastic.

but its quite common for "tolerant" people to be the most intolerant of all.

Free speech is a great thing, hate speech isn't, and that's what is being stamped out.

Tolerant people, in this case homosexuals, have every right to be intolerant to homopobia and hate speech.


Yeah, Free speech is great, unless its speech i disagree with!!! only government aproved speech is allowed!!

its a good thing i live in America, where we still mostly have free speech. and "hate" speech is still protected. but dont worry we are well down the road to fascism... 1984 isnt too far away.

 

PS: i take great offense to your speech, and values, therefore it is hate speech, and now i have the right to be intolerant to it.

 

and you seem to have no concept of what free speech is. its not speech that you allow to happen becuase you agree with it, its standing up for the speech with which you disagree. its not free speech if it only allowed if you agree with it... but like i said are world is becoming increasingly intolerant, and much much more totalitarian. 



No one is going to change anybody else's mind here. The fact is everyone has their own beliefs and no one has the right to impose theirs on other people including their children.
It's sufficient if we teach children to be kind to and respect ALL people. I think that's something we can all agree on.



                                
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I have no issues with this soon to be law. It doesn't take the right away for consenting adults to engage in homosexual acts or punish them in any way. It simply safeguards minors from being influenced.

We should also take into consideration that unlike many western countries at this point religion still has a huge influence on society in Russia and this will cause many people to be more conservative.

It doesn't help either that Russia has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. So there are a few different factors in play here.



 

 

RolStoppable said:
osamanobama said:

Yeah, Free speech is great, unless its speech i disagree with!!! only government aproved speech is allowed!!

its a good thing i live in America, where we still mostly have free speech. and "hate" speech is still protected. but dont worry we are well down the road to fascism... 1984 isnt too far away.

What exactly is the issue with homosexuality that you need to fight for your right for free speech on this site?


well i would say my views, but unfortunately i cant.

edit: ironically enough what is just wrote there is the reason i support free speech



osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!

no fascistic totalitarianism isnt fantastic.

though, free speech, and freedom in general is quite fantastic.

but its quite common for "tolerant" people to be the most intolerant of all.

Free speech is a great thing, hate speech isn't, and that's what is being stamped out.

Tolerant people, in this case homosexuals, have every right to be intolerant to homopobia and hate speech.


Yeah, Free speech is great, unless its speech i disagree with!!! only government aproved speech is allowed!!

its a good thing i live in America, where we still mostly have free speech. and "hate" speech is still protected. but dont worry we are well down the road to fascism... 1984 isnt too far away.

There is no need for inverted comma's, it's hate speech plain and simple, you need to understand that this isn't solely down to the government, people in general these days frown upon unprovoked attacks on homosexuality, even a lot of religious people.

Hate speech is frowned upon even in America, look at how the westboro baptist church are treated.



 

lol this osama guy...



Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
A more general warning: this sort of discussion is fine, but any comments against homosexuality are not acceptable and will result in moderation, only positive words about homosexuality are tolerated because we are a very open minded and tolerant community, so we accept all view points...

except for those we disagree with

Homophobia isn't tolerant though is it? It's the very opposite, you can't treat homophobia and homosexuality as one and the same, because one is clearly wrong and the other is natural, not really open to debate.

I wonder though, do you think it's ok for people to be racist and the likes here?

I'm glad you understand the rules though

OT: It's sad this has happened but these things need time, one thing's for sure, the world is only going to get more tolerant as the years pass, much to the dismay of those that don't want it too

no its not, its becoming more and more close minded, it continues to shut up and shut out dissent. 

there now can only be one set of values now, all others are wrong, and must be stopped, certain speech is stopped, while certain "aproved" aproved speech is protected. this world is becoming increasingly interant, and much more fascistic.

I know, fantastic isn't it!

no fascistic totalitarianism isnt fantastic.

though, free speech, and freedom in general is quite fantastic.

but its quite common for "tolerant" people to be the most intolerant of all.

Free speech is a great thing, hate speech isn't, and that's what is being stamped out.

Tolerant people, in this case homosexuals, have every right to be intolerant to homopobia and hate speech.


Yeah, Free speech is great, unless its speech i disagree with!!! only government aproved speech is allowed!!

its a good thing i live in America, where we still mostly have free speech. and "hate" speech is still protected. but dont worry we are well down the road to fascism... 1984 isnt too far away.

There is no need for inverted comma's, it's hate speech plain and simple, you need to understand that this isn't solely down to the government, people in general these days frown upon unprovoked attacks on homosexuality, even a lot of religious people.

Hate speech is frowned upon even in America, look at how the westboro baptist church are treated.

saying "gays must die" is much different than "homosexuality is wrong"

and still their speech is protected, even if its inconvienient speech.

and what is inverted commas?