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Ajescent said:
Zim said:
Ajescent said:
Attoyou said:
Ajescent said:
AdventWolf said:
Eh, that's bullshit. Let the customers decide what they want to do. I have almost 40 psp games so I sure as hell would save money by spending $5 to $10 for each game that I have rather than spending $10-40.

You know what would save more money? keeping a hold of your UMDs and playing them on your PSP...?

I get that, but it would still be so nice to play them on Vita.

I used to be against playing ps2 games on my ps3 because my reasoning was, my ps2 still works so what's the point. Whilst I love my ps3, I do sometimes find myself missing some ps2 games like Persona 4 and Final Fantasy X. Whilst I now occasionally scowl at my ps3 for not being able to play ps2 games, I am however too lazy to put together my ps2 and play said games...

I don't think the same conundrum applies to the PSP/Vita relationship. it hardly takes a minute to load up a UMD on your psp so I really don't see the point of this. You don't need to set anything up, just have your psp adequately charged and you are set. I get the feeling that like me, whilst people will occasionally hunger for PSP games, people won't play that many of them once they start building up a vita collection. Failing that, you are still allowed to play the psp downloadables you had so...it's not a big deal but this is just me I guess.

You don't see the issue with having to keep two portables charged constantly and having to carry around two portables? One of which is a very large portable gaming device. It isn't a big issue if you only play your psp/v at home or on very short trips. But what if you are using it as a portable? Going on a trip and want to play Uncharted and FF7:CC? Yea well take both devices. 

Backwards compatability has been a standard in the portable industry for a long time now. The fact it doesn't exist is pretty ridiculous. The fact a system is in place where you have to rebuy your own game is even more ridiculous. The fact Sony aren't allowing Western gamers the option to use their ridiculous service is so deep into the rabbit hole of ridiculousness that it boggles the mind. 

Also keep in mind that the Vita makes PSP games look nicer. So instead of carrying one device and playing games on it that look a little better you can carry two devices and play games that look a little worse. 

It isn't a HUGE deal. However it is a way that Sony is comically far behind in the handheld market. It is also a pretty good way of telling your customers you don't really care about them. I'm sure Sony could actually have figured out some proper way to do backwards compatability if they had wanted. 

For owners of a PSP and DS, did they have this dilemma? Surely you carried the one that had the game you were playing at that moment in time. Do people really play that many games at the same time? On hand helds, I only play one game at a time, I must be a raindrop in the desert because this complaint comes up way to frequently for my liking.

Also, regarding the size of the Vita, if people can carry around an Ipad, I think the Vita will be fine.


Crikey, that is a pretty poor argument. Is that the best you can do because it would be very easy to counter your points.



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Well I won't be throwing out my PSP anytime soon.



One of the main reasons I won't be buying a Vita anytime soon, I have over a 100 PSP games and my PSP kicked the bucket 6 months ago I'd rather pick up a cheap second hand PSP than be raped by Sony.



fillet said:
Ajescent said:
Zim said:
Ajescent said:
Attoyou said:
Ajescent said:
AdventWolf said:
Eh, that's bullshit. Let the customers decide what they want to do. I have almost 40 psp games so I sure as hell would save money by spending $5 to $10 for each game that I have rather than spending $10-40.

You know what would save more money? keeping a hold of your UMDs and playing them on your PSP...?

I get that, but it would still be so nice to play them on Vita.

I used to be against playing ps2 games on my ps3 because my reasoning was, my ps2 still works so what's the point. Whilst I love my ps3, I do sometimes find myself missing some ps2 games like Persona 4 and Final Fantasy X. Whilst I now occasionally scowl at my ps3 for not being able to play ps2 games, I am however too lazy to put together my ps2 and play said games...

I don't think the same conundrum applies to the PSP/Vita relationship. it hardly takes a minute to load up a UMD on your psp so I really don't see the point of this. You don't need to set anything up, just have your psp adequately charged and you are set. I get the feeling that like me, whilst people will occasionally hunger for PSP games, people won't play that many of them once they start building up a vita collection. Failing that, you are still allowed to play the psp downloadables you had so...it's not a big deal but this is just me I guess.

You don't see the issue with having to keep two portables charged constantly and having to carry around two portables? One of which is a very large portable gaming device. It isn't a big issue if you only play your psp/v at home or on very short trips. But what if you are using it as a portable? Going on a trip and want to play Uncharted and FF7:CC? Yea well take both devices. 

Backwards compatability has been a standard in the portable industry for a long time now. The fact it doesn't exist is pretty ridiculous. The fact a system is in place where you have to rebuy your own game is even more ridiculous. The fact Sony aren't allowing Western gamers the option to use their ridiculous service is so deep into the rabbit hole of ridiculousness that it boggles the mind. 

Also keep in mind that the Vita makes PSP games look nicer. So instead of carrying one device and playing games on it that look a little better you can carry two devices and play games that look a little worse. 

It isn't a HUGE deal. However it is a way that Sony is comically far behind in the handheld market. It is also a pretty good way of telling your customers you don't really care about them. I'm sure Sony could actually have figured out some proper way to do backwards compatability if they had wanted. 

For owners of a PSP and DS, did they have this dilemma? Surely you carried the one that had the game you were playing at that moment in time. Do people really play that many games at the same time? On hand helds, I only play one game at a time, I must be a raindrop in the desert because this complaint comes up way to frequently for my liking.

Also, regarding the size of the Vita, if people can carry around an Ipad, I think the Vita will be fine.


Crikey, that is a pretty poor argument. Is that the best you can do because it would be very easy to counter your points.

Then...go ahead....? Isn't that what this discussion is for? If I'm wrong I don't mind people telling me. If I agree with what they say, I will happily conceed, if not I will counter.



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Claymore said:
One of the main reasons I won't be buying a Vita anytime soon, I have over a 100 PSP games and my PSP kicked the bucket 6 months ago I'd rather pick up a cheap second hand PSP than be raped by Sony.

You would pay at least 500 to 1000 $ to transfer them all



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Ajescent said:
fillet said:
Ajescent said:
Zim said:
Ajescent said:
Attoyou said:
Ajescent said:
AdventWolf said:
Eh, that's bullshit. Let the customers decide what they want to do. I have almost 40 psp games so I sure as hell would save money by spending $5 to $10 for each game that I have rather than spending $10-40.

You know what would save more money? keeping a hold of your UMDs and playing them on your PSP...?

I get that, but it would still be so nice to play them on Vita.

I used to be against playing ps2 games on my ps3 because my reasoning was, my ps2 still works so what's the point. Whilst I love my ps3, I do sometimes find myself missing some ps2 games like Persona 4 and Final Fantasy X. Whilst I now occasionally scowl at my ps3 for not being able to play ps2 games, I am however too lazy to put together my ps2 and play said games...

I don't think the same conundrum applies to the PSP/Vita relationship. it hardly takes a minute to load up a UMD on your psp so I really don't see the point of this. You don't need to set anything up, just have your psp adequately charged and you are set. I get the feeling that like me, whilst people will occasionally hunger for PSP games, people won't play that many of them once they start building up a vita collection. Failing that, you are still allowed to play the psp downloadables you had so...it's not a big deal but this is just me I guess.

You don't see the issue with having to keep two portables charged constantly and having to carry around two portables? One of which is a very large portable gaming device. It isn't a big issue if you only play your psp/v at home or on very short trips. But what if you are using it as a portable? Going on a trip and want to play Uncharted and FF7:CC? Yea well take both devices. 

Backwards compatability has been a standard in the portable industry for a long time now. The fact it doesn't exist is pretty ridiculous. The fact a system is in place where you have to rebuy your own game is even more ridiculous. The fact Sony aren't allowing Western gamers the option to use their ridiculous service is so deep into the rabbit hole of ridiculousness that it boggles the mind. 

Also keep in mind that the Vita makes PSP games look nicer. So instead of carrying one device and playing games on it that look a little better you can carry two devices and play games that look a little worse. 

It isn't a HUGE deal. However it is a way that Sony is comically far behind in the handheld market. It is also a pretty good way of telling your customers you don't really care about them. I'm sure Sony could actually have figured out some proper way to do backwards compatability if they had wanted. 

For owners of a PSP and DS, did they have this dilemma? Surely you carried the one that had the game you were playing at that moment in time. Do people really play that many games at the same time? On hand helds, I only play one game at a time, I must be a raindrop in the desert because this complaint comes up way to frequently for my liking.

Also, regarding the size of the Vita, if people can carry around an Ipad, I think the Vita will be fine.


Crikey, that is a pretty poor argument. Is that the best you can do because it would be very easy to counter your points.

Then...go ahead....? Isn't that what this discussion is for? If I'm wrong I don't mind people telling me. If I agree with what they say, I will happily conceed, if not I will counter.


OK lol, well I suppose for the comparison to the iPad, it is a multifunctional device that is a nessecity for daily life for some people operating in a similar way to a netbook or even a laptop. When I went hiking last year for 6 weeks, I took the bare essentials, my sleeping mat weighed about 700 grams, but I was much more ready to throw out one of my two books I planned to take which weighed less.

I think that does the trick, it's also an invalid argument on other levels, my point is an analysis of the situation, yours is an analysis of yourself. On other levels - there are many people who don't think it is acceptable to have to carry around an iPad and a dedicated gaming device at the same time.

To add to that :) I'm not even concerened with if your argument is right or wrong, because it misses the point entirely about the decision being up to the consumer in the first place, you have single handedly taken the option away from the consumer simply because from anecdotal (i assume?) experience of you seeing people carrying an ipad and a dedicated gaming device.

Were these people offered the choice of having the gaming device intergrated into the ipad? No, they were not. Obviously they would have taken it if it were an option but they weren't so your argument is invalid.

Were these people offered the choice, only to have it withdrawn? No, but in this case they are, there was reasonable assumption from numerous comments that this was going to be a global offering from Sony, and who would think it wouldn't be? Implimenting such a feature in one region if it's already in another is hardly a costly exercise relatively speaking. Although I'm being drawn into the argument here, there is no argument, it was promised. It was not delivered.

You see where I'm coming from, and that's only about carrying an iPad and a dedicated gaming device. OK i got a bit ranty in the last paragraph and use way too many commas, but heyho.



What really tickles me is the "Playstation" brand covers numerous consoles and devices, yet none of them are inter operable to any degreee that you would expect, and hardly interoperable whatsoever when Sony sees a money making prospect.

It's all a scam, what with Sony being the worst company in the world for forcing proprietory formats, draconian faulty DRM, suing hackers, and having a movie publishing division supporting the now dead SOPA. It makes me wonder why people would build an argument to defend decisions like this.

It's all about money at the end of the day and I'm sure Microsoft and Nintendo would act exactly the same, at least they'd not try and save on the PR budget and deliver the bad news in proffessional way, better yet, not talk crap and make false promise after false promise. It's that bit inparticular that riles me.



fillet said:
fillet said:

Sounds like some kind of nazi rhetoric to me.

Either a bad translation or sony needs to stop being a c*nt, sorry that's harsh and nasty language, but that is effectively how this sounds.

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Don't see why this was moderated, this was a promised feature, just like with the PSP Go. Didn't they say exactly the same thing there then go back on their word at the last minute?

it was moderated by the words you choose: n@#! and c@*!.  also, it was not a promised feature outside of japan so get your facts straight.



OT - sucks for the western psp fans out there. all both of them...



Here's why: it was deemed that it would make them money in Japan, it was deemed that it would lose them money elsewhere.

That's the reason why any business does anything. If they've made a mistake, both Sony and the consumer lose out (hopefully resulting in them rectifying the situation at a later stage - if they recognise the problem), if they didn't make a mistake, then it sucks for some consumers, but overall benefits the business.