You are the one avoiding discussion and refuse the points I lay forward based on the links i provided.

This discussion is and has always been about piracy and its effects!!!

The only answers i avoided to answer where the one about the nature of my lifestatus and place o occupation.

Now my kind sir please answer the topic as a gentleman instad of going offtopic like a bitch

Never said that either!!! Running out of steam are we ? That usually happens when ones arguments have fallen and usually at that point when our arguments are weak we start to deflect like you did with my occupation and salary etc etc ..... while ignoring the rest!

Money has a lot to do with the buisness but not my money and neither does my occupation in regards to this discussion!

Are we going to continue avoiding the topic or you want to try to spinoff to another topic maybe?

So instead of being an gentleman and try to debate this you choose the cowardly bitch way of deflection.

Well thank you my good sir your arguments hold no water (not that you actually presented any of any value) and you have nothing else to do except deflect on mutters that are off topic.

You are the only one making excuses so you can blame pirates for all shit the industry is to blame.

Demo´s arent everywhere and with every game and even then it´s a demo of the best part of the game just to make you buy it, alittle like those movie commercials that are all action but when you actually see the movie it+s shit and that action you saw lsted for 10 sec in one scene.

There is nothing you can compare to this consumer tool and all attempts are just excuses so the industry can make more money selling us shit.

you keep assuming things. you should stop and think for a moment before you answer. being so aggressive and insulting does not help your cause either.

you may even find out i never strayed from the point i am trying to make after you started this conversation. it was you who would keep throwing arguments and piracy excuses at me that had nothing to do with what i was talking about.

i never asked for your occupation. you only keep assuming that. i asked where your money is coming from. that is something enterily different. i don't care what company or organisation you work for, because they don't make your money. where do they get your money from? you can follow it back as much as you want, and if you do you will find out that your money has a lot to do with everything.

i have no idea what your job is or  what field you work in, but i am sure if you follow your money back there will be people from "the industry" contributing some of it.

but don't worry, i don't expect you to think.

and where does your money come from?

Still of topic but by now the only thing you can do throw insults my way.

And yeah it´s my thinking abilitiess that are lacking when you cant defend, present and stay on point because you ran out of arguments and deflect by keep on going off topic. Weak is weak and youre keep showing how weak you are

Our discussion started with you assuming that pirates want things for free, I counter answered that you were the one assuming and I provided links, then since you had nothing else to go you had to ask you tried to go personal and ask where i get my money from instead fo providing proof or links to your assumption.

Here is the start of the argument where you say pirates only makes excuses, i chalenged your statement and said you are the one making excuses

then you went off topic and asking about my economy and where i earn it proof in under this text. The first 2 underlined is your statement and my answer, the last two underlined is you deflecting and going off topic and trying to set up a personal attack. Obviously my thinking ability is steps beyond yours and you were shut down before starting.

No need to be able to think for this one only the ability to read and comprehend wich you seem to be lacking, but i will give you this you are a master at avoiding and deflecting.

vaio said:

What does that have to do with the subject? why go off topic?

well, it's what the subject is all about, money, isn't it? the money the industry wants you to buy their shit with. where does yours come from? it's an important question when you think about it. 

working and no its not relevant at all for our discussion.

You are the one shoehorning it in so you can in some way create a situation where somehow my money will be stolen.

working? but not in any kind of industry i suppose?

i asked a simple question "where does your money come from" it is you who started insulting, deflecting and avoiding from then on.

if you are working in some kind of industry is a simple "yes or no" question. although it does not really matter either.

i explained it for you step by step what i mean with that question. you should be able to understand my point by now, but you keep avoiding the issue.

what do you expect of me?

I havent deflectd at all and i am not agreeing with you that my income or job has anything to do with your statement that pirates are making excuses only to get stuff for free.

I expect you to discuss this statement!!! and not what ever my income and occupation is.

You said they were making excuses so they could get sruff for free and I rebuted that you are making excuses for the industry and blaming pirates.

I proved some of my point with the articles that showed:

1. Downloaders buy on average more then non DL´s

2. Availability is a bigger issue then getting stuff for free, when stuff is not available people turn to DL

3. When availability is the same DL/pirating has none to little effect

4. When looking at movies at theaters and availability isn´t there DL accounts about 7% only when there is the same availability then the difference is negleble

5. All of the above dissproves your statement that downloaders/pirats are making excuses and want everything for free

What i want from you is to prove your statement that all downloaders/pirates only make excuses and want stuff for free.

PS. If I insulted you i am sorry this is not my first language and sometimes i write stuff that is insulting in english but not in my languages.

very well, i accept your apology