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auroragb on 23 April 2007
stof said:

Since I have to run off to work, I won't actually explain much of my answer. But if we go in terms of sales. I'm going to say so far the least successful non failure was the Gamecube at 24 million and the and the highest selling failure was the Dreamcast at 12 million. So far no console has sold between those numbers. So somewhere around 20 million is probably the mark of success or failure.

And so far, and most likely forever, the 360 has failed in Japan. Monumentally failed.

I think that a 15-20% market share makes it viable and not an outright failure.  The gamecube was that, barely.  But, I don't think that you can be a success without at least 25% of the market. 33% for leadership and 50% for dominance

But, success, like JL said, can mean different things in different contexts.  Was the gamecube successful in winning market back from PS1? No. Was it successful in keeping Nintendo in the VG industry? Yes, the GC and the Nintendo franchises kept Nintendo profitable.



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HappySqurriel on 23 April 2007
z64dan said:
Off topic, but: Am I the only one who thought the dreamcast had better graphics than the PS2? The PS2 always seemed kinda blurry and pixelated for my tastes.

Dreamcast games looked far better (on the whole) to early PS2 games; after a couple of years the PS2 demonstrated that it was a far more powerful system and games did end up looking better on the PS2.



ALKO on 23 April 2007
Tetsuya said:
Alot of forums say that xbox 360 failed in japan..yeah it did but at the same time it still has users and micorsoft is still trying there best to bring some software out there for the japanese gamers..i just believe that the gamecube was in the third place in america and alot of people didnt say that it was a failure...but with the xbox 360 in japan...people would say "yeah the xbox 360 sold only 350,000 units in japan"...thats not a failure....a failure is when the system doesnt sell at all in a country.

 in a relative way.

 

in an absolute way x360 numbers are low...

 

the market can't afford 3 console makers.

 

on the last generation nintendo was third  and without gba and ds incomes nintendo would had been pulled out from sony and micosoft...

 

so now the question is who will risk to leave the market????

 

as now nintendo is in the market both with ds and wii...

 

the battle is between sony and microsoft...

sony can stay in market even in third place.

ps2 sells still well and psp in "mature phase" (manifacturing price low ,market price stable)

but with those poor numbers in ps3 sells things aren't so calm...they have an operative loss due ps3 research investement...

 

x360 have good base for occidental software houses ,they paid some good exclusives in japan...

but they really sell very poor in oriental market...

 they have still an huge operative loss for selling underprice...

 

in the end situation is really complicated...

 

Nintendo home renessaince puts another variable to the game...

numbers in America are really impressive for a poor "gamecube2"...

 

I see microsoft weeker than sony for Japan market...

 

but still

ds,wii and even ps2 sells makes ps3 numbers low enough that in long term run could make battle between sony and microsoft really close ...

 

Wii Will Sii



Hus on 23 April 2007
Myahon said:

PS3 = unprofitable, lack of good games, last place

 

seems like a failure


  PS3 has tht top games of ever genre, and world wide its out selling 360!

you = failure of the education system.



javidaco on 23 April 2007

I think every gamer should be happy if all consoles wins, that is going to make tha market bigger, if that happens = better games.

I love my 360 but the other 2 are good to, I already own the wii and as soon as more games for the PS3 are out thare I'll buy it.

 



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javidaco on 23 April 2007

I don't know if this is true, but if I where nintendo I would be worryed, yes they are going to finish first in the console war, but I don't know if "casual gamers" and "regular people" (thats how nintendo called them), is prepeared for buying lots of games, the attache rate on the wii is going to be very low (I think), while on the other two consoles the attache rate will be very high. They are doing money on the console and that is great but lots of the money comes from games.

Also the PS3 and the 360 are going to be used as entretainment center, I'm already doing that, and the wii is not able to do this, 360 is going to ofer IPTV and that might put the 360 on lots of people wish list.

What do you think?

 



stof on 23 April 2007

 

As for the PC-engine. Yeah it failed. It only managed to muster marginal sales in one market and struggled to an early death. It didn't exactly create any hype for it's successor either.



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Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

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ALKO on 23 April 2007
javidaco said:

I think every gamer should be happy if all consoles wins, that is going to make tha market bigger, if that happens = better games.

I love my 360 but the other 2 are good to, I already own the wii and as soon as more games for the PS3 are out thare I'll buy it.

 


 all right...

but still the golden rule:

 

market can't afford 3 console makers 

 

people like you maybe can afford to buy 3 console.

(and like you admit you didn't buy ps3 and wii at the same time)

 

but can you afford to stay update with all 3 lineups each month???

if you answer "yes" you're rich...

majority of people not...

 

so that's the reason ...

even owning the 3 console people in the end they support software lineups of one or 2...but rarely can afford to stay updated with games lineups of each console...

 

it's not a matter of hardware but software one.

 



ALKO on 23 April 2007
javidaco said:

I don't know if this is true, but if I where nintendo I would be worryed, yes they are going to finish first in the console war, but I don't know if "casual gamers" and "regular people" (thats how nintendo called them), is prepeared for buying lots of games, the attache rate on the wii is going to be very low (I think), while on the other two consoles the attache rate will be very high. They are doing money on the console and that is great but lots of the money comes from games.

Also the PS3 and the 360 are going to be used as entretainment center, I'm already doing that, and the wii is not able to do this, 360 is going to ofer IPTV and that might put the 360 on lots of people wish list.

What do you think?

 


consoles are consoles.

media players are mediaplayers.

 

iptv boxes???

in the near future they will cost really nothing....

bluray and hd-dvd players???

the same , they already now cost under 400...

no need really to use a console as a media player...

at least...

 

this is what a gamer thinks...

as a gamer I want a console optimized ONLY for gaming...

not an All-in-one that is always made for average performance...

a bluray player will be always more optimized for movie playing that an embedded player in a console.

 



javidaco on 23 April 2007
ALKO said:
javidaco said:

I don't know if this is true, but if I where nintendo I would be worryed, yes they are going to finish first in the console war, but I don't know if "casual gamers" and "regular people" (thats how nintendo called them), is prepeared for buying lots of games, the attache rate on the wii is going to be very low (I think), while on the other two consoles the attache rate will be very high. They are doing money on the console and that is great but lots of the money comes from games.

Also the PS3 and the 360 are going to be used as entretainment center, I'm already doing that, and the wii is not able to do this, 360 is going to ofer IPTV and that might put the 360 on lots of people wish list.

What do you think?

 


consoles are consoles.

media players are mediaplayers.

 

iptv boxes???

in the near future they will cost really nothing....

bluray and hd-dvd players???

the same , they already now cost under 400...

no need really to use a console as a media player...

at least...

 

this is what a gamer thinks...

as a gamer I want a console optimized ONLY for gaming...

not an All-in-one that is always made for average performance...

a bluray player will be always more optimized for movie playing that an embedded player in a console.

 


 And you really thinks tha the Wii is a console optimized ONLY for gaming?