No it can't hide 30fps but It can make motions look smoother.

i don't think the 7950 needs so much more power to produce huge problems considering better cooling systems nowadays. and the rrod did cost a lot as well for microsoft without that they wouldn't have lost so much.

 and next year they could have a 7950 similiar gpu with less power needed than the 7950. i mean autumn 2013 and the 7950 will be 1.5 years old so the same "power" will need less energy with a better structure.

PS4 and 720 are expected in 2013.

Cooling systems are expensive.

7950 is on 28nm.

22nm /20nm have been delayed from 2013 to 2014.

The x1900 had a load power cunsumption of 110-120 watt. The 7950 has a load power consumption of ~230. The size of the cards are also way larger. 1.5 years is not gonna fix that.

As Play4Fun said cooling systems are expensive. A proper air cooling system uses copper and copper price has not become cheaper. Actually it's the opposite.

The numbers don't add up.

it doesn't need 230w. all i read was 200w wihout overclocking. maybe what i read was shit ok that's possible.

and yes cooling systems are expensive but you know they still don't need exactly the same system they used in the 360. a little bit better system wouldn't cost more nowadays. it's not like i wish to see it having 3x better cooling and with a better architecture a 7950 like card would mabye need 180w

if the 360 wouldn't have be such a fail on release it could have handled a gpu with more power consumption as well. a 150w card wouldn't have been a problem.

For all of you using some random X multiplier, please stop. You are just proving how little you know what you are talking about.

And for those saying X Console will have Y GPU, please stop. You are just proving how little you know what you are talking about.

Cave men will paint buffalo on the walls, Viper. It's going to happen. Yes, it's easy to acknowledge that a measure of "FLOPS" doesn't represent any sort of meaningful insight into graphics capability or architecutre; yes, it's easy to acknowledge that direct power comparison based on numbers on a sheet of paper will not translate into real world performance; yes, it's easy to acknowledge that inference of power based on nothing is now so far removed from reality as to be essentially menaingless.

One is left with three options.

1. Pretend the discourse makes sense for the sake of making a point. THis is the route I'm taking. I know the words I'm saying don't mean anything to the people who understand hardware, but in order to communicate with people who see hardware that way, one has to use the vernacular of the discussion.

2. CHange the discourse with an explanation of real meaning.

3. Ignore the discourse.

So what will you do?

Comparing figures is fine so long as they are meaningful and have context.   Just randomly saying Wii U is X times power and Next X is Y times power without a single bit of real data for a basis just asking for a battle of the BS.

I believe this too, that the architecture will be improved til 2013 and a Nextbox GPU similar to the Radeon 7950 will need 180W or even less.

I hope MS are bold and allows a 180W GPU even if it means that the launch Nextboxes are a bit loud and hot, until they can make a second iteration based on 22nm in 2014.

That the Nextbox is based on the Radeon 7000-series is a fact (mainly. Most likely it's custom built and has some features from future 8000-series architecture). According to Charlie it's 99.9% certain:

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/18/xbox-nextxbox-720-chips-in-production/

And if it follows the pattern of Xbox 360 visavi the Radeon 1900 it has good potential to be 10 times faster than the X360 based on the fact that the Radeon 7970 is 10 times faster than the X1900.