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RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Who fault is this?? Really, its the WIi owners that are buying the Carnival games in droves and not buying the Red Steels, Xenoblades, whatever game you think is "great" and should have sold more. That just shows what most Wii owners actually care about

How nice to blame gamers.

The first question to ask is always: Did the company who published the game do everything they could to make it a hit?

Little King's Story was a new IP that wasn't advertised. Same for Zack & Wiki. Red Steel 2 was the sequel to a game that sucked, thus a case where brandname hindered sales instead of helping them. Until not too long ago, Xenoblade was a game that was outright denied to get published in America.

On the other hand, Carnival Games had more TV commercials than all of the above games combined.

Show some more respect for the Wii and its owners for once.

Doesnt change the fact that Wii owners still bought the Carnival games in droves, and I have never seen a commercial for that game in the US. Never seen one for Just Dance 1 or Zumba fitness and they all seem to do perfectly well. I know im not blaming gamers, Wii's audience is just more inclined to pick up the games I mentioned than the "core" ones. Ninty games not withstanding. 



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RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Who fault is this?? Really, its the WIi owners that are buying the Carnival games in droves and not buying the Red Steels, Xenoblades, whatever game you think is "great" and should have sold more. That just shows what most Wii owners actually care about

How nice to blame gamers.

The first question to ask is always: Did the company who published the game do everything they could to make it a hit?

Little King's Story was a new IP that wasn't advertised. Same for Zack & Wiki. Red Steel 2 was the sequel to a game that sucked, thus a case where brandname hindered sales instead of helping them. Until not too long ago, Xenoblade was a game that was outright denied to get published in America.

On the other hand, Carnival Games had more TV commercials than all of the above games combined.

Show some more respect for the Wii and its owners for once.

exactly, and this thread refers to ''million sellers'' as ''quality titles'' suggesting that Xbox360/Ps3 have more million sellers, therefore a higher number of quality titles

the thing is that Wii is leading by much the overall software, which means it has great games for someone to buy and the difference in million sellers is less than 10 anyway

if 1m means quality to you, then 20m should mean ultra quality which Ps3/Xbox360 have none where Wii has 8

O_O



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

dark_gh0st_b0y said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Who fault is this?? Really, its the WIi owners that are buying the Carnival games in droves and not buying the Red Steels, Xenoblades, whatever game you think is "great" and should have sold more. That just shows what most Wii owners actually care about

How nice to blame gamers.

The first question to ask is always: Did the company who published the game do everything they could to make it a hit?

Little King's Story was a new IP that wasn't advertised. Same for Zack & Wiki. Red Steel 2 was the sequel to a game that sucked, thus a case where brandname hindered sales instead of helping them. Until not too long ago, Xenoblade was a game that was outright denied to get published in America.

On the other hand, Carnival Games had more TV commercials than all of the above games combined.

Show some more respect for the Wii and its owners for once.

exactly, and this thread refers to ''million sellers'' as ''quality titles'' suggesting that Xbox360/Ps3 have more million sellers, therefore a higher number of quality titles

the thing is that Wii is leading by much the overall software, which means it has great games for someone to buy and the difference in million sellers is less than 10 anyway

if 1m means quality to you, then 20m should mean ultra quality which Ps3/Xbox360 have none where Wii has 8

O_O

I think your being paranoid and looking for something that isnt there, i doubt the OP was trying to say that PS360 has a higher number of quality titles, and if he was, quality is subjective anyway, there are a bunch of million sellers that I think are overrated and dont deserve to sell that muc. On all systems. Just Dance1, Crysis 2, the last few CODs, etc.



RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Doesnt change the fact that Wii owners still bought the Carnival games in droves, and I have never seen a commercial for that game in the US. Never seen one for Just Dance 1 or Zumba fitness and they all seem to do perfectly well. I know im not blaming gamers, Wii's audience is just more inclined to pick up the games I mentioned than the "core" ones. Ninty games not withstanding. 

Considering the games you like to play, you probably also only watch certain TV channels or series. Commercials are usually positioned during the TV program that is (assumed to be) watched by most people of the potential market. Commercials for games like Just Dance certainly do exist.

The audience of every video game system is more inclined to buy the games that are advertised on TV. Just take a look at the 360 and PS3 bestsellers. It's exactly the same as on the Wii. The only difference is that the games that are heavily advertised are different. If core games would have been advertised more on the Wii, they would have sold significantly better. But as it is, not even Call of Duty gets commercials on the Wii.

THe COD thing again, PS3 has not COD advertisment, or PC version, so whats their excuse?  Ads are important but i think people put to much into them. People have to be interested. Even if those core Wii games were advertised a bit more, would the Carnival Game, Just Dance, WiiFIt crowd care?? I doubt it. Hell Conduit got a lot of ad time but that game still flopped hard and people know that their are CODs for Wii, they just dont care.



oniyide said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Who fault is this?? Really, its the WIi owners that are buying the Carnival games in droves and not buying the Red Steels, Xenoblades, whatever game you think is "great" and should have sold more. That just shows what most Wii owners actually care about

How nice to blame gamers.

The first question to ask is always: Did the company who published the game do everything they could to make it a hit?

Little King's Story was a new IP that wasn't advertised. Same for Zack & Wiki. Red Steel 2 was the sequel to a game that sucked, thus a case where brandname hindered sales instead of helping them. Until not too long ago, Xenoblade was a game that was outright denied to get published in America.

On the other hand, Carnival Games had more TV commercials than all of the above games combined.

Show some more respect for the Wii and its owners for once.

exactly, and this thread refers to ''million sellers'' as ''quality titles'' suggesting that Xbox360/Ps3 have more million sellers, therefore a higher number of quality titles

the thing is that Wii is leading by much the overall software, which means it has great games for someone to buy and the difference in million sellers is less than 10 anyway

if 1m means quality to you, then 20m should mean ultra quality which Ps3/Xbox360 have none where Wii has 8

O_O

I think your being paranoid and looking for something that isnt there, i doubt the OP was trying to say that PS360 has a higher number of quality titles, and if he was, quality is subjective anyway, there are a bunch of million sellers that I think are overrated and dont deserve to sell that muc. On all systems. Just Dance1, Crysis 2, the last few CODs, etc.

no doubt i'm a paranoid, i'm posting way too much in here lately

quote from the opening: PS3&360 million sellers have many more high quality titles than Wii's.

it actually says more quality titles are found in Ps3/Xbox360 million sellers than in Wii's million sellers or smth not sure either, the thing, why count the million sellers only!?

and not how a console's games sold as a whole!? if a console has bad games, people wouldn't bother to buy games on that console

the conclusion is that Wii owners are casuals or have a terrible taste in games, to mature gamer's point of view??



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
oniyide said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Who fault is this?? Really, its the WIi owners that are buying the Carnival games in droves and not buying the Red Steels, Xenoblades, whatever game you think is "great" and should have sold more. That just shows what most Wii owners actually care about

How nice to blame gamers.

The first question to ask is always: Did the company who published the game do everything they could to make it a hit?

Little King's Story was a new IP that wasn't advertised. Same for Zack & Wiki. Red Steel 2 was the sequel to a game that sucked, thus a case where brandname hindered sales instead of helping them. Until not too long ago, Xenoblade was a game that was outright denied to get published in America.

On the other hand, Carnival Games had more TV commercials than all of the above games combined.

Show some more respect for the Wii and its owners for once.

exactly, and this thread refers to ''million sellers'' as ''quality titles'' suggesting that Xbox360/Ps3 have more million sellers, therefore a higher number of quality titles

the thing is that Wii is leading by much the overall software, which means it has great games for someone to buy and the difference in million sellers is less than 10 anyway

if 1m means quality to you, then 20m should mean ultra quality which Ps3/Xbox360 have none where Wii has 8

O_O

I think your being paranoid and looking for something that isnt there, i doubt the OP was trying to say that PS360 has a higher number of quality titles, and if he was, quality is subjective anyway, there are a bunch of million sellers that I think are overrated and dont deserve to sell that muc. On all systems. Just Dance1, Crysis 2, the last few CODs, etc.

no doubt i'm a paranoid, i'm posting way too much in here lately

quote from the opening: PS3&360 million sellers have many more high quality titles than Wii's.

it actually says more quality titles are found in Ps3/Xbox360 million sellers than in Wii's million sellers or smth not sure either, the thing, why count the million sellers only!?

and not how a console's games sold as a whole!? if a console has bad games, people wouldn't bother to buy games on that console

the conclusion is that Wii owners are casuals or have a terrible taste in games, to mature gamer's point of view??


I apologize, I forgot he posted that, I dont agree with him, and its still subjective.

No the conclusion is that their is just a different audience on Wii than their is on PS360. Thats all.   Zumba Fitness, Just Dance, Sonic & Sega all star racers, games like that sell better on Wii.  COD, Star Wars, Spider-man, just about anything you would consider "core" sells better on PS360. Now if you choose to take this as some kind of negative, thats on you. It is what it is to me.  I rarely hear an HD owner complain when dnace game sells better on Wii



RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

THe COD thing again, PS3 has not COD advertisment, or PC version, so whats their excuse?  Ads are important but i think people put to much into them. People have to be interested. Even if those core Wii games were advertised a bit more, would the Carnival Game, Just Dance, WiiFIt crowd care?? I doubt it. Hell Conduit got a lot of ad time but that game still flopped hard and people know that their are CODs for Wii, they just dont care.

Store presence, of course. You cannot overlook a new CoD for the PS3 when you go into a games store or the games section of a major retailer. CoD on the Wii is somewhere stuffed inbetween the shovelware, provided the store carries it at all.

But more importantly, the game that made the CoD series big was CoD4: Modern Warfare which had the tags of all platforms it was available on at the end of its commercials. It wasn't until later CoD games that Microsoft sponsored Activision. There was no disadvantage for the PS3 when CoD4: MW came out and it doesn't take much effort to go to a retailer and see if the new CoD is on the PS3 too, in case someone isn't sure because of the Xbox 360 commercials the series has nowadays. Activision didn't build a CoD fanbase on the Wii (2007 was CoD-less for the Wii) and didn't make any real efforts later on. Despite this lack of effort, they are still able to sell at least one million copies of their game.

How many people do you think that the "CG, JD, WF crowd" is? 99 % of all Wii owners? There are easily ten million Wii owners who would have cared about core games and if a company could sell to 10 % of them (different tastes among core gamers after all), they would have had a million seller on their hands. Of course, ads aren't everything. The quality of the game needs to be there too and your example of The Conduit clearly lacked in that department. The core gamer isn't going to settle for a High Voltage game when he is used to Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy.

They dont have unlimited retail space. PS360 versions of the game sell MILLIONS within days, thats alot of copies of a game in stores. Constrast that to the few thousand the Wii version sells in the same time frame, lets put our bias aside for a bit and see it from Acti's pov, why would they put more copies of a game that wont move that much units anyway?? they wouldnt, it makes no sense to do so. They need those shelves for the versions that do sell.

No MW1 did not make COD big, not big as it is now, people forget WAW was released later and actually sold less, so for a brief time the interest did go down. MW2 was the game that really made it the monster it is today and ironically that is when the exclusive advertisement started. Funny enough, the PS3 version still did alright. But Wii never even got that game so I will concede that point to you.  Your dead wrong about not building a base, they have released COD games for about 4 years straight how is that not building a fanbase?? and they each keep getting better, but they seem to do worse. How is that possible that the WIi version is doing worst yearly while the others actually get better??

I think the JD crowd is large, im think maybe 75%, 60% the lowest, judging soley by the games that are largly sold. 10 million Wii owners who care about core?? Sure! but how much of those ones have another gaming platform, their are some people who truly believe that their is a loyalty thing among gamers. But i assure you, people like you are in the minority. I bet you that most of those ten million people, bought an HD console or PC a long time ago.  Hate to use COD but ill go again, COD3 Wii version outsold the PS3 version, now the WIi version doesnt come anywhere close to the PS3 version. Whether you wanna blame Ninty or Acti or satan, its irrelevant, they left and never turned back



Crysis 2 is awesome.



RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

They dont have unlimited retail space. PS360 versions of the game sell MILLIONS within days, thats alot of copies of a game in stores. Constrast that to the few thousand the Wii version sells in the same time frame, lets put our bias aside for a bit and see it from Acti's pov, why would they put more copies of a game that wont move that much units anyway?? they wouldnt, it makes no sense to do so. They need those shelves for the versions that do sell.

No MW1 did not make COD big, not big as it is now, people forget WAW was released later and actually sold less, so for a brief time the interest did go down. MW2 was the game that really made it the monster it is today and ironically that is when the exclusive advertisement started. Funny enough, the PS3 version still did alright. But Wii never even got that game so I will concede that point to you.  Your dead wrong about not building a base, they have released COD games for about 4 years straight how is that not building a fanbase?? and they each keep getting better, but they seem to do worse. How is that possible that the WIi version is doing worst yearly while the others actually get better??

I think the JD crowd is large, im think maybe 75%, 60% the lowest, judging soley by the games that are largly sold. 10 million Wii owners who care about core?? Sure! but how much of those ones have another gaming platform, their are some people who truly believe that their is a loyalty thing among gamers. But i assure you, people like you are in the minority. I bet you that most of those ten million people, bought an HD console or PC a long time ago.  Hate to use COD but ill go again, COD3 Wii version outsold the PS3 version, now the WIi version doesnt come anywhere close to the PS3 version. Whether you wanna blame Ninty or Acti or satan, its irrelevant, they left and never turned back

Sure, let's put our biases aside. If we do this, we both have to acknowledge that CoD isn't big on the Wii, because in 2007 when CoD went from good (6m) to phenomenal sales (15m), there was no Wii version of the game. That is the main cause that led to future low CoD sales on the Wii, not Wii owners not being interested. A game that does not exist cannot sell.

Don't recap history as if PS3 owners wouldn't look for Call of Duty: MW2 on their console after the series sold 6m with MW and 4.8m with WaW. We are talking about the most popular series on the PS3 here. Xbox only commercials for MW2 or not, there was already a huge CoD fanbase on the PS3.

How isn't it building a fanbase on the Wii? Let's see... the game that made CoD big wasn't released on the Wii. In the following year a game was launched that made interest in the CoD series go down, so according to you it really shouldn't count as building a fanbase. In the year after, the game that made CoD even bigger wasn't released on the Wii, so the Wii lost out for a second time. Really, if you don't see how this could lead to problems, then you must have lied about putting biases aside. If a consumer base gets treated like crap repeatedly, then they will of course stop caring for the little that gets thrown their way.

The main reason why many Wii owners bought another platform is because they got treated like in the CoD example. It's not that they wanted to buy a 360 or PS3, they had to because third parties refused to put good core games on the Wii; and this reason [refusal to make good Wii games] is why this thread exists.

Who is to blame is not irrelevant. It's what this entire argument is about. You blamed Wii owners, like pretty much always; and by now you have built your argument around a game that never released on the Wii as an example of how Wii owners don't care for core games.

I already conceded that missing that game was detrimental. No argument there.

Like i said I concede to that missing game part, but you act like they just flat out stop releasing these games on Wii, which is not the case, they made a mistake and they are (sorta) trying to recitfy it. But the damage is already done, and like you say they moved on to othe consoles, it is what it is. 

Again, im not blaming anyone, im simply stating that the fanbase for those kind of games, at this point, have moved on. It is irrelevant to point fingers, even if I say that it is 3rd parties fault, so what?? It wont change anything, the Wii is still not gonna get as much core support as the other two and people who want to play those kinds of games, will just keep playing PS360/PC, the JD crowd can keep dancing. Everyone(mostly) is happy



Just think about what would have happened if third parties actually put a little effort into Wii games.



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