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Wagram said:
If you're complaining that JRPGs have too many cutscenes, you are playing the wrong genre.


Nonsense. Plenty of JRPGs communicate their stories without embarrassments of cutscenes. The biggest JRPG franchise in the world manages to pull it off with relatively few cutscenes.



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Wagram said:
If you're complaining that JRPGs have too many cutscenes, you are playing the wrong genre.


oh? What about series like Pokemon? Or Final Fantasy VI and prior? Or Chrono Trigger? And other countless names...



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theprof00 said:
Scoobes said:
mantlepiecek said:
I think it's unfair that the person who hated FF XIII so much was asked to review its sequel.

 I think a lot of the potential and undecided purchasers of FFXIII-2 are those that hated the original but are Final Fantasy fans. People that loved FFXIII will buy it regardless and people who don't play Final Fantasy are unlikely to use a direct sequel as a starting point. Sounds like he's probably the best person to review the game.

No it doesn't. When everyone is doing it one way, doing it a different way is really just there to seem unique. It upsets metascores, and makes us look unprofessional.

You just described everything that's wrong with the reviewing culture in the video games industry. Look at film reviews, no one complains about the variety of reviews, scores and opinions. The games industry press is still seen as enthusiast press and generally unprofessional especially due to the fact that they all follow the same crowd and scoreline (among other reasons). Metacritic is seen as some holy grail of ratings and reviewers are seemingly under pressure to score in the range of 7-10. Over inflated review scores are far more unprofessional then actual critique.



hatmoza said:
Wagram said:
If you're complaining that JRPGs have too many cutscenes, you are playing the wrong genre.


oh? What about series like Pokemon? Or Final Fantasy VI and prior? Or Chrono Trigger? And other countless names...


Sorry, I forgot the story in Pokemon was amazing.



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oniyide said:
Seriously well done to the reviewer. Reading reviews of the original FF-13 was ludicrous. Pointing out HUGE flaws but then still slapping it with a high score. This reviewer points out the good and bad things and gives a score that can be justified.

To be fair, they have been doing that for other reviews as well


Sorry Oniyide I'm not entirely sure which point you are referring to. Are you saying they have been doing that for other reviews for pointing out huge flaws but still giving big scores or pointing out the good and bad then giving a justifiable score? 

If it's the first then the problem wouldn't be this review but rather the other reviews that were the issue. If it's the second then that's great =D 

I was just speaking about reviews in general nowadays and not Runa's. For example. people were throwing 9s at Crysis 2, but I played that game on 360 and their a assloads of glicthes. Not enought to restart the game, but they happened often enough that it sure as hell shouldnt be getting a near perfect score. 



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Runa216 said:
Well that was a lot of fun to read.

First, let me clarify some things:

1 - No, I was not asked to do the review. When I mentioned 'shitpile' in an edited post (yes, I did say that, no it was not an acceptable descriptor), it was simply that nobody else on the team wanted to review it because Final Fantasy XIII was a huge disappointment. as I said, I was the only one interested in playing XIII-2; I stated in the review that one stain on an otherwise exemplary record was not enough to deter me.

2 - While I hated FFXIII, the promises made and the pre-release material made me think that a lot of the issues would be fixed, so I was actually legitimately excited to give this game a shot. I went in with a hopeful yet open mind, and make no mistake, I was blown away by the opening 5 hours, and I was thoroughly enjoying the first half of the game.

3 - I did not give it a low score to get hits or to troll, I gave it that score because that's what my impression was. I didn't actually decide on a score until I'd written the review and took some time to reflect on my overall experience. The second half of the game disappointed me so much that had I not taken the time to balance out the score with the things I did like, it'd have likely gotten a 3 or 4....but I remembered all the things I liked and how much I enjoyed the first half and it balanced out to a 5.

As a reviewer it is my job to explain what you can expect with the game, the features, the gameplay, the mechanics, value, graphics, etc. There are many things that need to be considered when writing a review, and laying out the expectations is half of the review, the other half is weighing the good and the bad. Being truly objective with something like this is near impossible, but it's a reviewer's job to give the community an idea of what to expect by chronicling their own experiences and opinions.

And as a reader, you should all learn how to filter out what you read and weight what I've said against your own values. I didn't like the battle system and my review reflected that, but if you liked XIII's battle system, it really shouldn't be too hard to figure out that my criticism of that aspect of the game is not important to you. On the flipside, others who felt the same way I did about XIII's battle system could very well take what I say to heart as something they likely wouldn't enjoy. I laid out all my chips so people knew where I was coming from (didn't like 13, felt it had some flaws, wanted to give it a chance, etc), so it shouldn't be hard to compare my review with your own values and come to a logical conclusion based on that.

Personally, I think this review would have been much better without a score to accompany it because then you could form your own opinion instead of using that as a gauge, since not everyone has an identical meaning for numbers. I, for instance, feel a 5 is decent, not good but not bad either, pretty neutral. Others (and most in gaming journalism for that matter) feel that 'decent' is a 6 or 7. I think that, since the good was balanced out with the bad (with a slight err towards positive thanks to the pretty graphics and added features), a 5.4 is precisely correct in basically every way.

Again, if I Was letting my bias get the better of me, I'd have been much harsher, instead I delivered a review that was equally positive and negative.

If anyone wants me to elaborate on how I came to my score, I'd be glad to explain in great detail what went into deciding the numbers for each category and how I weighed each category to get my final score.

Do you mean you feel a mediocre score is decent? Or that 5 respresents a decent game?

I feel that a 5 is a mediocre score.  6 is decent, 7 is good, 8 is great, 9 is excellent, and 10 is a masterpiece.  

on the flipside, 4 is poor, 3 is bad, 2 is horrible, 1 is atrocious, and 0 is unplayable.  

Pretty much in line with GamrReview's settings. 



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ryuzaki57 said:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/review/49773/final-fantasy-xiii-2/

I'm astonished that a well-established website as this one could let publish such an aggressive pamphlet :(

FFXII-2 has 7 to 9 on all the other websites I checked.

Your thoughts? Do you reckon it's a fair review?


Oh yea have to add as well that Edge gave it 5/10 and Joystiq gave it 3/5. So it has been getting some scores in the 50-60 range from big sites/mags. Joystiq have a lot of similar issues too. Chocolina, music (god it's awful), bad dialogue and writing, nonsensical plot.

oniyide I played Crysis 2 and I would say 9/10 is fair. I didn't encounter any big glitches at all some miniscule things like throwing barrels and it getting stuck because of the physics etc.  9/10 is pretty reasonable for a game with great graphics, gameplay, length etc that just has a few small glitches. I think it only becomes an issue when you have games like Fallout 3 that have constant crashes, game breakings glitches etc.

There are a lot of odd things in the games reviewing industry though. I have been trying out Skyrim and for the life of me I can't understand why it gets the scores it does. It's this huge world but the conversation system is so poor and the combat so awful that it's a huge world of no fun for me. Gabe at PA said it very well when he said about going into a cave full of vampires instead of being an exciting thing it's just like ''Oh great I have to fight them, what a chore''. I'm still baffled at how Skyrim has the combat it does when Dark Messiah Of Might and Magic on PC did the same style of combat so incredibly well. Good melee combat with blocks, counters etc and then very cool magic use. Cast an ice spell on the foor and enemies would slip on the ice, leaving them vulnerable etc. It seems I'm in the minority as people love skyrim but I just can't wrap my head around what they are enjoying.



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Zim said:
ryuzaki57 said:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/review/49773/final-fantasy-xiii-2/

I'm astonished that a well-established website as this one could let publish such an aggressive pamphlet :(

FFXII-2 has 7 to 9 on all the other websites I checked.

Your thoughts? Do you reckon it's a fair review?


Oh yea have to add as well that Edge gave it 5/10 and Joystiq gave it 3/5. So it has been getting some scores in the 50-60 range from big sites/mags. Joystiq have a lot of similar issues too. Chocolina, music (god it's awful), bad dialogue and writing, nonsensical plot.

oniyide I played Crysis 2 and I would say 9/10 is fair. I didn't encounter any big glitches at all some miniscule things like throwing barrels and it getting stuck because of the physics etc.  9/10 is pretty reasonable for a game with great graphics, gameplay, length etc that just has a few small glitches. I think it only becomes an issue when you have games like Fallout 3 that have constant crashes, game breakings glitches etc.

There are a lot of odd things in the games reviewing industry though. I have been trying out Skyrim and for the life of me I can't understand why it gets the scores it does. It's this huge world but the conversation system is so poor and the combat so awful that it's a huge world of no fun for me. Gabe at PA said it very well when he said about going into a cave full of vampires instead of being an exciting thing it's just like ''Oh great I have to fight them, what a chore''. I'm still baffled at how Skyrim has the combat it does when Dark Messiah Of Might and Magic on PC did the same style of combat so incredibly well. Good melee combat with blocks, counters etc and then very cool magic use. Cast an ice spell on the foor and enemies would slip on the ice, leaving them vulnerable etc. It seems I'm in the minority as people love skyrim but I just can't wrap my head around what they are enjoying.

Outside of perhaps Chocolina, and the two crappy songs by everyones favorite Nobuo. I don't understand the complaints. I understood the "nonsensical" story, and found it to be very enjoyable.



Tbh have played through this game and actually very far in I don't really dispute the review, the game is a very mixed bag, the are some improvements in some areas while others fall below what even XIII brought. An example is the game has more replay value even though shorter but the plot descends into wtf type madness and is the definition of losing the plot, character growth is watered down and the dialogue well I'll just say it could use some work.



Wagram said:-

Outside of perhaps Chocolina, and the two crappy songs by everyones favorite Nobuo. I don't understand the complaints. I understood the "nonsensical" story, and found it to be very enjoyable.

Which is cool, and further proves we all have our tastes.  

But my experience with the game was horrible.  Gameplay wise the entire second half was basically a joke, requiring almost no interaction and it was so dull my eyes would occasionally glaze over.  I cannot give a game like that a good score, it would be horribly dishonest.  

As for the plot, well I thought it was decent but like XIII, very poorly executed.  you shouldn't require a swath of datalogs just to understand how what you just did linked to the mythology of the world.  Also, my biggest issue (which I couldn't discuss in the review thanks to spoilers) was the enemy's motivations.  Caius's motivations and plans were so nonsensical and narrowminded that it took what could have been an engaging, time-spanning epic into a cheesy soap opera.  The characters which the story revolved took the promised epic scope and made it a high school drama.  that would have been fun if the characters were interesting (Noel was the only remotely relateable character).  

I loved how open it was, but it was so repetitive, the battles were tedious, the puzzles were more about patience than thought, the story was dwarfed from what it could have been.  I just...if I factored all that in and still gave it a good review, that would be horribly dishonest of me. 



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