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ryuzaki57 said:

 

ok no problem. See you for Hyperdimension Neptune Mk2 then! And PLEASE, don't let anyone take this review from you.

I'm signed up for Neptunia 2, Fortune Summoners, The Last Story, and Atelier Meruru.   And I plan to review Ni no Kuni and Tales of Graces F.    Probably missing a few but those are off the top of my head.  Someday maybe I'll make a list up and keep it updated for those that are interested.  



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I guess it's cool for reviewers to hate on FF now

Maybe it's residual hate from XIII lol



I'm reading through the comments and am completely baffled by what people are complaining about.

The only valid argument is that the game should have been given to a different reviewer to maintain consistency between this review and XIII's but even that is non-essential.

The rest of you are simply complaining that the game didn't get the score you feel it deserved. To which i say grow the F**k up and stop relying on publications to validate your own opinion. To those who argue that the review should be objective, that is the most nonsensical thing i've heard whilst being part of the VGC community. The only objective aspect of a review should be the outlining of the game mechanics, which in itself cannot make a review. A review needs critical evaluation, thus the reviewer needs to state how well they feel the mechanics work. If through your own past experiences, you feel you may enjoy a mechanic which was criticised (e.g combat), then use the objective sideof the review and an understanding of your own personal preferences to gauge that mechanic.


Anyway, what self proclaimed gamer relies on one review to guide their purchase??



Very fair review. FF13-2 is such a mixed bag. Some great gameplay, pacing, graphics etc

But some of the worst dialogue I have ever heard, I don't think I have EVER cringed so much in a game. Gems like ''Be honest with yourself and you can get the future you want''.

One of the worst plots I have ever seen, seriously if you are going to do time travel it has to be VERY carefully planned or simple, not a hodge podge of nonsense. The fact Chrono trigger still manages to have a better plot from that many years ago is just embarrassing. The moment someone at Square felt the need to have the game give you a movie explaining what has happened EVERYTIME you load up the game should have been a sign that something was wrong.

Strangely it also has some of the worst game music I have ever heard. I actually had to turn it off at certain points because the music was so maddening. Bad covers of generic cheesy j-pop songs. All full of LALALALALALALALALA or horrendous lyrics like ''Ooo lalalalala got my friends so the futures bright LALALA keep hoping for that future LALALAA''

Likewise it's kinda clear why Square didn't feel confident to put proper NPCs with dialogue in FF13. They are so embarrassingly behind the times. 13-2 is a huge step up from 13 but compared to other games urgg. Nonsensical things like when you talk to NPCs your character will stay wherever they were when it started. So you can get things where you are talking a few inches from the person or with characters clipping through each other. Have the other party member run between you, other npcs walk into the camera shot blocking it etc. And oh boy are those animations stiff. It's an improvement over no side-quests, no proper dialogue etc but boy is it badly handled.

I mean when you have to pop up LIVE TRIGGER on screen to let you know it's a dialogue where you actually can choose questions well something is wrong.

It also doesn't work as a sequel. The world presented in this game simply doesn't match with the last game. It's surreal. If you didn't play 13 you will be totally lost, but if you did play 13 you will be annoyed at how this game just ignores that game and rewrites things.

It's a huge improvement over 13 but at the same time helps point out just how flawed 13 was. The whole mog clock thing is still horribly outdated by blue dragon, which had enemies on screen, you could combine different groups of enemies for xp bonuses, in-fighting and the attack animation was smooth (in 13-2 it is soooo clunky)

So yea it's a much better game than 13 but it's still below other Jrpgs this generation. I think most reviewers have just realised that they ridiculously overrated 13 because suddenly they have a better game that still has such big issues.

Seriously well done to the reviewer. Reading reviews of the original FF-13 was ludicrous. Pointing out HUGE flaws but then still slapping it with a high score. This reviewer points out the good and bad things and gives a score that can be justified.



Turkish says and I'm allowed to quote that: Uncharted 3 and God Of War 3 look better than Unreal Engine 4 games will or the tech demo does. Also the Naughty Dog PS3 ENGINE PLAYS better than the UE4 ENGINE.

so vgchartz rated the game to low? Who the fuck cares. Grow up and play the games you want to play.



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Boutros said:
oniyide said:
Its funny but no one is who defending 13-2 is giving their reasons why its a good game

That's because we are all still playing it and haven't completed it yet. I am myself only 5 hours in so I guess from here on out the game will be really bad if I am to trust this review. We'll see.

You cant give your impression on a game after playing for 5 hours?? Im not saying give a full blown review, but at least say why you like it. If its at five hours i would have already had an opinion



arcelonious said:

I think that the written portion of the review is ok, although it's pretty obvious how much the reviewer hated XIII and wanted to hate XIII-2. Regardless, the problem is how the reviewer adheres (or does not adhere) to their review system methodology.

For example, under gamrReview's methodology, a score between 5-5.9 is:

"Mediocre. These games are bland and ordinary. They barely make adequate status, and will likely not be particularly enjoyable if at all. Note that we do not expect the “average” game to fall into this range. Ideally most people are making games that are at least good, and the majority of games do not need to be scored in this range or below."

If the review score was in the 7 (or hell, even the 6 range), then it would match the methodology given by gamrReview, but a 5.4 just doesn't seem to match the game, especially considering that many have enjoyed it thus far.

Beyond the score, it's also important to note that while reviews are opinions, they are supposed to reflect how the reviewer believes other gamers would recieve a particular game, which is evident in the methodology (in the methodology, terms like "most people" are used).  Thus, even if the reviewer hates a particular game, they have to review a game based on how he or she perceives others would recieve it.  Generability is one of the major factors that separate a well-written review from a mere opinion piece, and if you can't write a review under that notion, then you really shouldn't be writing an official review.

I have no problem with a heavily-biased individual reviewing a game that he or she hates, as long as that reviewer abides by the methodology given by their review system.  When reviewers don't follow their site's own methodology, it's hard to take those reviewers seriously.

 

That hit the nail on the head for me. I dont have an issue with the review or even the score, but its the meaning that the VGChartz review metric gives to the score, which has most people thinking WTF.

5.0-5.9 – Mediocre. These games are bland and ordinary. They barely make adequate status, and will likely not be particularly enjoyable if at all. Note that we do not expect the “average” game to fall into this range. Ideally most people are making games that are at least good, and the majority of games do not need to be scored in this range or below.

Sorry to highlight the exact same line as you arcelonious but its such an important point. Based on the review id say this is an average game, the reviewer might have used a lot of harsh words, but its stil reads as average with redeeming factors. Not to forget that this is in fact a JRPG with a dedicated fanbase, it is also a sequel to quite a popular game. So this needs to be noted as well.

I would say that the review fits perfectly in the above score range...

6.0-6.9 – Decent. These games are usually not particularly memorable, and only have a couple of redeeming features that keep them from being truly mediocre. Some people may enjoy them, but they don’t excel in any way.

Most important point there is that some people may enjoy them (most probably the few million people that like ff13. Based on the score and the explanation the runa gave the game, he is basically saying no1 should be buying this game, not even ff13 fans, let alone ff fans. Which cant be right.

You cant review a game in complete isolation of external factors and you definately need to adhere to the review metric outlined by the site. Which i think is the issue here. And this is what people mean by uniformity...at the very least mark to the same metric.



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brendude13 said:
oniyide said:
Its funny but no one is who defending 13-2 is giving their reasons why its a good game

Interesting plot, great pacing, well scripted cutscenes, complete freedom in a very beautiful world, excellent music, fantastic battle system, addictive collecting and levelling system, beautiful graphics.

All based on the first 5 hours of the game.

Good enough for you? I could write a page long review if you want, or you could just read the ones other people have posted.

EDIT: Ha. Seemed like another 5 people beat me to it. Well that backfired didn't it?

No it didnt, I wanted to find out what people actually thought instead of just bashing this guy because they are feeling hurt. The funny thing is your the only one who actually gave their opinion. The others just linked me to reviews that favored their taste, real original.



That sucks cause im having a blast with the game atm.



Zim said:
Very fair review. FF13-2 is such a mixed bag. Some great gameplay, pacing, graphics etc

But some of the worst dialogue I have ever heard, I don't think I have EVER cringed so much in a game. Gems like ''Be honest with yourself and you can get the future you want''.

One of the worst plots I have ever seen, seriously if you are going to do time travel it has to be VERY carefully planned or simple, not a hodge podge of nonsense. The fact Chrono trigger still manages to have a better plot from that many years ago is just embarrassing. The moment someone at Square felt the need to have the game give you a movie explaining what has happened EVERYTIME you load up the game should have been a sign that something was wrong.

Strangely it also has some of the worst game music I have ever heard. I actually had to turn it off at certain points because the music was so maddening. Bad covers of generic cheesy j-pop songs. All full of LALALALALALALALALA or horrendous lyrics like ''Ooo lalalalala got my friends so the futures bright LALALA keep hoping for that future LALALAA''

Likewise it's kinda clear why Square didn't feel confident to put proper NPCs with dialogue in FF13. They are so embarrassingly behind the times. 13-2 is a huge step up from 13 but compared to other games urgg. Nonsensical things like when you talk to NPCs your character will stay wherever they were when it started. So you can get things where you are talking a few inches from the person or with characters clipping through each other. Have the other party member run between you, other npcs walk into the camera shot blocking it etc. And oh boy are those animations stiff. It's an improvement over no side-quests, no proper dialogue etc but boy is it badly handled.

I mean when you have to pop up LIVE TRIGGER on screen to let you know it's a dialogue where you actually can choose questions well something is wrong.

It also doesn't work as a sequel. The world presented in this game simply doesn't match with the last game. It's surreal. If you didn't play 13 you will be totally lost, but if you did play 13 you will be annoyed at how this game just ignores that game and rewrites things.

It's a huge improvement over 13 but at the same time helps point out just how flawed 13 was. The whole mog clock thing is still horribly outdated by blue dragon, which had enemies on screen, you could combine different groups of enemies for xp bonuses, in-fighting and the attack animation was smooth (in 13-2 it is soooo clunky)

So yea it's a much better game than 13 but it's still below other Jrpgs this generation. I think most reviewers have just realised that they ridiculously overrated 13 because suddenly they have a better game that still has such big issues.

Seriously well done to the reviewer. Reading reviews of the original FF-13 was ludicrous. Pointing out HUGE flaws but then still slapping it with a high score. This reviewer points out the good and bad things and gives a score that can be justified.

To be fair, they have been doing that for other reviews as well