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Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD

I have read about it many times and heard the claims that plasmas are better and in the past I agreed with them when I went to stores to compare but in the last two years I can't see the superiority of plasmas with my own eyes any more. Honestly when I visit electronics stores the Samsung expensive LEDs outshine the Panasonic VT30 series plasmas they have on display.


Thats becoz they set optimal configurations to LED tvs while Plasmas get worse treatlent so that they look bad lol, no joke. :) LEDs are a better form of LCDs, they're the same technology, the viewing angles, the contrast and blacks are still inferior to Plasmas, there is image ghosting in 3D displays while Plasmas dont have it. I agree with u tho, LEDs look amazing in stores :)

Damn, I suspected that they try to trick customers like that.

I might buy a Panasonic plasma after all. Especially now that they're in trouble, they need support.

It's so hard to decide.


Dude if you can find a cheap VT30 or VT20 go for it! What size do you game on?



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Joelcool7 said:
Well we all know that but America doesn't seem to mind. The US sees Japan as a huge threat their cars nearly killed the big three and their tech companies have posed a huge threat. America is doing everything it can to increase American production and kill off global competitors.

Obama has hurt Canada horribly now we are turning to China. The US has been hurting its trading partners for years. Also Japan's government is who said America helped them inflate the yen. Now that Japan's yen is so high they are doing everything they can to make it harder and more expensive for international corporations.

Also yes I understand the US is in a depression and on the verge of economic collapse. However the rest of the world is going through the exact same problems. Japan is going down the EU struggling other countries in Africa and the middle east and other stable countries also starting to struggle.

Protectionism will only hurt America and in turn the global economy. Plus America's unemployment rate is not that bad and the middle class should be able to survive. I have to say we are all in this together not one country against another this is a global economy.

so what american flat panel tv industryis the US going to protect? plus during the latest APEC meeting they talked about entering into an asia pacific freetrade zone/agreement



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The only USA Flat panel is by Vizio. And they started as a very low end, but have grown their reputation and quality.

And I think many parts are made in other countries, perhaps even some of their TV's.

I am really interested in their new 'Passive 3D' TVs, but I hardly think they are a significant enough industry to have much effect on the US Government.



 

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For PS3 owners (watching blu-ray) a plasma is a must. LED's give movies that 'soap opera' look and have refresh rate issues.



Turkish said:
Chris Hu said:
Turkish said:
Slimebeast said:
Panasonic was hot for electronic products in the 90's but since that they only been famous for their high quality plasma TV:s.

I planned to buy a Panasonic plasma TV for a while but since then LEDs have catched up and are very aweomse so most consumers including me will buy a Samsung LED.


Plasmas over LCD/LED ANYDAY, Plasmas are much much better then LED and LCD


Only if you like to waist electricty five years from now no electric company is going to make plasma TV's anymore.

Funny, I just remembered when LCD became affordable around 2005/2006 they were saying the exact same thing, Plasma is still around. Every other display technology is inferior to Plasma. The viewing angles, the colors, the contrast, the blacks, the refresh rate, the 3D is much better on Plasma.

 

The only technology that seems to rival Plasma seems to be OLED, but its only started to make an appearance and still too expensive.

Even the burn-in is better on plasma.

Oh wait...you were talking about the pluses, weren't you?



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Zappykins said:
The only USA Flat panel is by Vizio. And they started as a very low end, but have grown their reputation and quality.

And I think many parts are made in other countries, perhaps even some of their TV's.

I am really interested in their new 'Passive 3D' TVs, but I hardly think they are a significant enough industry to have much effect on the US Government.

You do realize that none of Vizio's TVs are made in the USA.  They aren't even assembled in the USA.  They're either made in Mexico, China, or Taiwan.



Joelcool7 said:
Man this sucks. P.S America is making it more difficult for Japan to recover and they won't likely recover again. They will need to adapt unless they can devalue the yen.

The American government purposely savotauged Japan. They convinced Japan to inflate the yen. They spent years inflating the yen. But then Americas economy started taking a hit now the yen is way way to strong. The yen continues to be out of control. Now the US is in trouble financially and the Government is taking protectionist actions. Example Obama said he will give American corporations tax breaks and help to employ Americans. He said he will do everything possible to give American products an edge.

So how will Nintendo, Sony, Panasonic..etc...etc... recover while the yen is high not to mention America is making it as hard as possible to compete in the US. I think Nintendo will return to profitability and am sure Sony can as well and other Japanese companies. But they won't likely see as high profits as they used to anytime soon.

First of all, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Second, the US is one of the largest importer of goods, electronic or otherwise.  We don't just have a national debt because we borrow money from China, we have a national debt because we import more than we export too.  There is one, only one, TV manufacturer that actually makes TVs in the US.  Almost all US consumer goods are manufactured in China, the exception are cars and furniture.

The dollar dropped in value, the Yen wasn't inflated.  After 9/11 the Bush Administration, in an effort to increase exports (thereby helping to decrease the debt) allowed the dollar to drop in value.  The US did nothing to keep the value of the dollar artifically inflated.  Again, the Yen wasn't inflated.

The only thing the US has ever done is ask Japan to make its markets available to US companies, something which it has not been so willing to do.  See, back in the 80's (are you too young to know this?) the majority of US electronics were manufactured here in the US or Canada.  However, US manufacturers were unable to compete with cheaper Japanese import goods and eventually they either went out of business, got bought up, or started to use China to manufacture their electronics.  It was Japan's protectionist government back in the 1980's that wiped out the majority of US/Canadian electronics manufacturing.

The US is not taking protectionsit actions.  Taking away tax loop holes that allowed US corporations to move headquarters or employees offshore and give them tax breaks for doing so, isn't protectionist.  Giving tax breaks to US corporations that move their manufacturing back to the US from China isn't protectionist.  Not only is it NOT protectionist it doesn't hurt Japan.  Protectionist would be refusing to allow Japanese companies to import products into the US or levying a tax on foreign goods imported into the US.  The US government isn't doing that.



Joelcool7 said:
Well we all know that but America doesn't seem to mind. The US sees Japan as a huge threat their cars nearly killed the big three and their tech companies have posed a huge threat. America is doing everything it can to increase American production and kill off global competitors.

Obama has hurt Canada horribly now we are turning to China. The US has been hurting its trading partners for years. Also Japan's government is who said America helped them inflate the yen. Now that Japan's yen is so high they are doing everything they can to make it harder and more expensive for international corporations.

Also yes I understand the US is in a depression and on the verge of economic collapse. However the rest of the world is going through the exact same problems. Japan is going down the EU struggling other countries in Africa and the middle east and other stable countries also starting to struggle.

Protectionism will only hurt America and in turn the global economy. Plus America's unemployment rate is not that bad and the middle class should be able to survive. I have to say we are all in this together not one country against another this is a global economy.

Where in the world do you get off saying this crap?

The majority of cars sold in the US are manufactured in the US.  In fact, more Japanese brand cars are manufactured in the US than European cars.  The reason that's the case is because it's cheaper to manufacture the volume of cars sold here, than it is to manufacture them in Japan and ship them here.  That's been the case for years, it's simple economics.  That's why companies are moving their manufacturing BACK to the US, because the cost of shipping crap halfway around the world doesn't make things much cheaper than just manufacturing them where you're going to eventually sell them.

Japan isn't a threat because of it's manufacturing, Japan is a threat because in the past it has had a very closed market.  As I said before, the North American electronics industry was basically wiped out by the protetionist activities of Japan in the 1980's.  We couldn't even export US manufactured cars to Japan.  All the while, the US was importing nearly everything Japan could produce.  The fortunes of Japanese companies were built with US dollars.

I'm sorry, we hurt Canada?  How so?  We refused to allow an oil company to build a pipeline through the US so you could ship oil to China.  None of the oil going through that pipeline was meant for the US.  In fact, the amount of oil projected to move through that pipeline would have been just a fraction of what China has projected it will need and that Canada has agreed to supply.  And why doesn't Canada want to run that pipeline to the coast along British Columbia?  OH...because they're afraid of the environmental hazards of having a pipeline.  Gosh, it's Ok if there's an oil spill in the US, it's our mess to clean up, but it's a bad thing if Canada has to clean up it's own mess.

The US Government's refusal to allow the pipeline didn't hurt Canada.  It made Canada responsible for getting the oil it was selling to China it's own responsibility, not ours.   Boo fricken hoo.  Do you even realize that every day Canadian trash is shipped over the border into US landfills?  Or that your nuclear waste is?  Don't tell me we hurt you because we didn't accept another one of your lousy environmentally hazardous schemes.

Our unemployment isn't that bad?  Do you even know what your fricken unemployement is in Canada???  It's 7.6%.  Up .1%.  Ours is at 8.3%, down from a high of 10.2%.  The US poverty rate is over 15%, the Canadian poverty rate is around 5%.  Over 600,000 people in the US are homeless.    Canadian homelessness is somewhere between 150,000 - 300,000 people.  So, how does Canada have it worse off than the US again?  Heck, your money is even worth something again because of our weak dollar.

As I said before, the US is far from protectionist.  More goods from around the world come into and are sold in the US than any other country in the world.  We are the biggest and most open market in the world.  So for you to sit there and suggest we're protectionist because we won't allow Canada to violate our environment with an oil pipeline, or because the US government says it'll help create jobs in the US, is just outragious.  Not only is everything you say ignorant of the facts or reality, it's just ridiculous.



crissindahouse said:
Turkish said:
crissindahouse said:
man anytime soon we will see an apple tv which means millions of people will start to buy only apple tv's anymore like they do with the phone. i think this will kill some of the sales for sony, panasonic and everyone else as well.

i really can't even imagine how many people will only buy apple tv's when we will get them. i have the feeling 80% of iphone owners will buy only apple tv's when they are good because it will have a yellow instead of a red standby light lol


Lol Apple have no chance to survive the TV business, its only dominated by 4 5 companies and mainly by Samsung. Apple is pricing their little iPhones at 600 euros, how much will they price their TVs? 6000? The high end market is already feeded by Panasonic and Sony. If you want higher then high end then there are still Loewe tv's.

Sorry buddy, even those millions of Apple fanboys wont flock to anything that is significantly too expensive. TVs are also not something you can just upgrade every year.

i hiope they don't have a chance because i hate a company dominating a market but i think you will be wrong. they don't have to price their tv's so much higher. they sell the phone for 150 or so more than the competition, they could sell it for 300 or so more and believe me there are so many freaks nowadays they buy everything with an apple logo just so they can say "i have an apple tv". they don't do it because they need it but they will buy it. i know some of them and i know some of them will buy an apple tv just because it's apple.

and even if they won't sell so much they will still sell some and these purchasers won't buy an other tv then. 5 million apple tv's would mean 5 million less for the others...

Sigh...you and me both. >.>



NightDragon83 said:
badgenome said:
Probably will get banned for saying this, but oh well: 3DO is doomed.

I'm gonna double down and say that the M2 is nothing but vaporware.  And Trip Hawkins has a tiny penis.

Come at me, mods!