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pezus said:
Mad55 said:
Argh_College said:
Alot of others games have much better stories than Uncharted series... 1 and 3 were ewaker.. 2 was pretty good but other games are miles ahead such as :

Mass Effect
BioSchok
Skyrim
Batman

I could go on.

Yet Uncharted is amazing!

Skyrims story really?

Never in a million years would I say Skyrim had a proper overall story. Some of the quests have an ok story by themselves though

Pretty much what I thought the main quest wasn't great to me. 



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So it was a change/mistake? I knew it, no way such a high-profile developer would say such a thing.

Assuming they meant that, well, I am not particulary happy with the "bar" you're trying to set (cinematic), especially when games like "To the Moon" have such amazing storytelling with sprite based graphics, a emotional music background and plain text. That is bar that should be set.



M.U.G.E.N said:
voty2000 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Xxain said:
teigaga said:
I absolutely agree with him. Video game stories are generally of a horrible standard and have a far way to go. It doesn't help, when overly kind reviewers praise a narrative purely because it manages to make sense lol. I haven't played uncharted 3 but uncharted 2 story was decent, but it was told brilliantly. More games need to step up to the standard!


It's a Video game though. Silly ppl tend to want to compare Video game stories to movies and books, media focused on just that.. telling stories. for Video games the stories we get are fine for this type of media so it is ok that reviewers are pass lesser quality stories compared to Uncharted. Stories in Video game should aim to be one thing... entertaining... regardless of mood... this oscar worthy/ 5 Star book stuff doesn't belong here. Video games are not the right media for that, its annoying to see ND pioneering this type of behavior.


isn't that a really narrow way of thinking? if the stories are mediocre why settle for it? why not point it out? A great story will only enhance the experience. Not all games would require this..for example Vanquish..despite the saw that coming from miles away story ..it was enjoyable..but if it had a better story it would have been a masterpeice. Cheap and simple entertainment from books and movies/tv shows exist too but it doesn't mean those industries as a whole should accept that to be 'acceptable' norm. So I completely disagree with you with your statement, tho I agree it all comes down to personal preference and what a gamer would desire from this hobby


     Vanquish is a masterpiece because the story fit the gameplay perfectly.  Better story telling and such would take up to much time and slow the game down.  Vanquish was fast paced and the action never stopped, it would not make since to have a story to stop and make you think or anything like that because gameplay was by far the most important aspect of the game and they never wanted slow down.  The story was simply in place to move you from set piece to set piece, that's it.  Same as all Mario or Earth Defense Force games, the story is simply in place to make since of going from one location to the next.

wait..you are seriously calling THAT story a masterpiece? :S we have different standards then and no better story AND story telling doesn't mean taking too much time or slowing the game down. In fact such factors could increase the intensity of the game

I am not saying the story is a masterpiece, I agree that it isn't that great.  I'm saying that the story and its pacing matched the gameplay and made a masterpiece of a game.  Think about how the story is told.  It's told over headsets.   You can't tell a great story that way.  It's told in short bursts and its only purpose is to move the game to the next set piece.  Adding depth to the characters and to the story makes you stop and think and that isn't what Vanquish wanted to accomplish.  They wanted nonstop action.

A game like Uncharted's story is told in a different way and a game with that type of pacing greatly improves with a story that sucks you in but not all types of games need that type of depth.  A game like Bayonetta would have suffered in my opinion if the story was coherrent.  The gameplay is over the top and ridiculous and the story matches.  I get suckered into the main characters progression because you don't know what's coming next and it's the same with the gameplay, you don't know what ridiculous moves she will pull off next.

I do enjoy a good story if the game calls for one but I don't want all my games to be cinematic.  Sometimes I just want to blow crap up and destroy robots or giant ants.  EDF EDF EDF EDF!!!  Props if you get the EDF part.



Sounds like the people at Naughty Dog are starting to believe their own hype. In my opinion their stories have never been great, even the Uncharted games. Well written and well acted does not a great story make. I will agree with Naughty Dog that most games don't have great stories. I read a lot of books and watch a lot of movies and games generally don't have stories that can compare to the best of those mediums. The best story in a game I've played in a long time was Enslaved. The ending was a little weird but as stories go it was pretty damn good. In my opinion Portal 2 had the best story of last year and it was extremely well implemented and presented. If the Uncharted gamers where movies they'd be considered big budget B-Movie rip offs of Indiana Jones. As games they feel fresh, fun, funny, and exciting. It's Uncharted's characters, not their stories, that shine.



Beneath the surface of this is the fact of how much they truly care about their work. I fully understand where they're coming from.



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Dont like it, but almost every dev has ego and likes to show it at some point or points in time. Anyone remember Cliff on Gears 3 reviews? Move along.



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pezus said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
pezus said:
Okay, I made a thread that included that quote a few days ago and I was told it was a duplicate (even though it was not) and the thread was locked. Now a thread that only includes said quote taken out of context is not seen as a duplicate. Wtf?


this really is a really really old quote

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-12-13-the-last-of-us-preview

right after the reveal of TLOU....

Yup, but the thread I created had some new and interesting stuff in it. It was from an Edge interview with ND.


Bias mod on the loose XD



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His problem, aside from actually caring about story, is putting so much stock into what reviewers say. He thinks that people want to care about overly cinematic stories where the player feels for the character or about the human condition, and not everyone cares about that shit. Reviewers will give other stories good reviews because other games understand game stories are not the focus.they probably play the story up because the game itself I'd fun



Everyday I'm hustlin'.

 

Wii and DS owner.

I like Zelda stories so much... I disagree when I read you cannot write good stories for VG, but we discuss about VG, please, don't try to make something different, or you'll get something simply not fitting with a videogame.



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Nsanity should put the entire passage up to avoid confusion. Unless he wants to cause confusion?