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sales2099 on 23 January 2012
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 



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happydolphin on 23 January 2012
sales2099 said:
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 

(@ italics) I'm assuming you're including 3rd party exclusives in your argument.Or were you referring to multi-plat 3rd party games here? (@ bold) And for your snark remark at the end, are you simply referring to 1st party exclusives, because otherwise your point is really not too good. :S

Your last post was much better, this one sucked :P



sales2099 on 23 January 2012
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 

Uh...if you only look at FPS games sure. PS3 is the preferred choice for football games, racing games, fighting games, JRPG's and more. You can't just say 360 is the preferred choice. It all depends on the genre

Pretty sure Madden sells better on 360 every year. Racing 3rd party games are about dead even, with a slight edge to 360 personally. Fighting ill give you that.

Jrpgs well aside from Final Fantasy, games like Talkes of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata sold better on 360. They were timed exclusive thus not fair to PS3 but hey, who says gaming industry is fair? :P

Either way, those are very few genres. Its widely known that on the whole 360 is preferred for multiplats. No use arguing. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 23 January 2012
happydolphin said:
sales2099 said:
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 

(@ italics) I'm assuming you're including 3rd party exclusives in your argument.Or were you referring to multi-plat 3rd party games here? (@ bold) And for your snark remark at the end, are you simply referring to 1st party exclusives, because otherwise your point is really not too good. :S

Your last post was much better, this one sucked :P

Yet nobody quoted it :P



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

happydolphin on 23 January 2012
sales2099 said:
happydolphin said:
sales2099 said:
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 

(@ italics) I'm assuming you're including 3rd party exclusives in your argument.Or were you referring to multi-plat 3rd party games here? (@ bold) And for your snark remark at the end, are you simply referring to 1st party exclusives, because otherwise your point is really not too good. :S

Your last post was much better, this one sucked :P

Yet nobody quoted it :P

Probably because it was mostly bang on lol. I find that's what tends to happen. The more right you are, the less you get quoted. :P Kind of suck but kind of doesn't all at the same time :D



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happydolphin on 23 January 2012
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:

Uh...if you only look at FPS games sure. PS3 is the preferred choice for football games, racing games, fighting games, JRPG's and more. You can't just say 360 is the preferred choice. It all depends on the genre

Pretty sure Madden sells better on 360 every year. Racing 3rd party games are about dead even, with a slight edge to 360 personally. Fighting ill give you that.

Jrpgs well aside from Final Fantasy, games like Talkes of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata sold better on 360. They were timed exclusive thus not fair to PS3 but hey, who says gaming industry is fair? :P

Either way, those are very few genres. Its widely known that on the whole 360 is preferred for multiplats. No use arguing. 

Not to butt in, but there are a few errors here. He's right in regards to sales of racing games (just look up the DiRT series and Need For Speed titles - they sell better on PS3), ToV for PS3 is only available in Japan AFAIK, and Eternal Sonata actually sold more on PS3 (data available right here on the site).

Madden does still sell higher on 360, but I wouldn't necessarily call either "the preferred 3rd party console of choice". During the 2007-2009 period, I would have easily consiered the victor there the 360, but times are a bit different now. Each has their own advantages depending on the genre.

I don't completely agree. From the numbers I remember in the charts, the multiplats generally are consistently higher in sales on the 360.



happydolphin on 23 January 2012
CGI-Quality said:
happydolphin said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not to butt in, but there are a few errors here. He's right in regards to sales of racing games (just look up the DiRT series and Need For Speed titles - they sell better on PS3), ToV for PS3 is only available in Japan AFAIK, and Eternal Sonata actually sold more on PS3 (data available right here on the site).

Madden does still sell higher on 360, but I wouldn't necessarily call either "the preferred 3rd party console of choice". During the 2007-2009 period, I would have easily consiered the victor there the 360, but times are a bit different now. Each has their own advantages depending on the genre.

I don't completely agree. From the numbers I remember in the charts, the multiplats generally are consistently higher in sales on the 360.

What don't you agree with? It sounds like I agreed with what you're saying, that during that period, the 360 took home the victory (especially in regards to sales). Now, things have evened up a bit, even though sometimes, certain franchises still remain ahead on the 360, such as Assassin's Creed & Madden.

Oh, it just wasn't clear to me that you were speaking in relative terms. I thought you were saying the PS3 was ahead here and there, not that it was just less lagging behind.



sales2099 on 23 January 2012
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
Larwood said:
The original article isn't about the current or past state of exclusives, I don't know why everybody is going on about it. The article is about how MS's current outlook is going to effect their future, and the fact is going in to the next gen who's going to pick what? People will look at reasons to buy the console, they'll see MS with Halo and not much else, which will only be appealing to the Halo fans who aren't already tired of Halo. Then they'll look at Sony with a history approaching 2 decades of high quality first-party and third-party exclusives. Wii and Kinect people won't care, they won't buy new consoles in the first year because it won't be worth the cost to them and they'll still be happy playing on their Wii.

The fact is exclusives are what sell consoles in the first year, and what exactly are xbox going to announce? "Oh look guys, we have Halo again and this new Ryse thing. Enjoy!" I don't think that'll go down too well.

The wild card of course is the Wii as somebody mentioned, if they can get third-parties on board, bring their console up to specs, and release serious exclusives (ie. not mario, not motion-based) then they could take all the medals. And they might get stay-at-home-mum 'gamers' upgrading from the Wii. But that's a lot of ifs.

Most core gamers made their choice allready this late in the gen. All that is left is attracting casuals. 

Again, most gamers in the real world are content with 3rd party games, which 360 is the preferred choice. Seems only forum dwellers put a high emphasis on exclusives. 

Uh...if you only look at FPS games sure. PS3 is the preferred choice for football games, racing games, fighting games, JRPG's and more. You can't just say 360 is the preferred choice. It all depends on the genre

Pretty sure Madden sells better on 360 every year. Racing 3rd party games are about dead even, with a slight edge to 360 personally. Fighting ill give you that.

Jrpgs well aside from Final Fantasy, games like Talkes of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata sold better on 360. They were timed exclusive thus not fair to PS3 but hey, who says gaming industry is fair? :P

Either way, those are very few genres. Its widely known that on the whole 360 is preferred for multiplats. No use arguing. 

I don't call Madden a football game, sorry lol! FIFA is THE football game and THE biggest sports franchise of all time, not counting Wii Sports (obviously). 

Also, multiplatform racers above 1m:

NFS Shift: 2.48m vs. 1.75m

NFS: Hot Pursuit: 2.14 vs. 1.83

NFS: ProStreet: 1.93 vs. 1.98 (released in 2007)

Midnight Club: Los Angeles: 1.82 vs. 1.76

Need for Speed Undercover: 1.82 vs. 1.44

Burnout Paradise: 1.69 vs. 1.24

Need for Speed the Run: 1.33 vs. 0.93

F1 2010: 1.20 vs. 0.78

Dirt: 1.00 vs. 0.82

Grid: 1.00 vs. 0.82

_____How is this a 360 win? 

JRPGs that sold far more on PS3: FF, Dark Souls, Resonance of Fate, Nier, Eternal Sonata (despite releasing late for PS3) and more.

I forgot to name Adventure games too (LA Noire, Tomb Raider, Prince of Persia, Vanquish, Catherine, Castlevania but 360 has Assassin's Creed I'll grant you)


It's widely known in America. In the rest of the world, PS3 is the preferred platform for 3rd party games overall (I know some countries like UK prefer 360).

Well every week total software seems to favour 360 even now. So again I still think on the whole 360 is still preferred. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

happydolphin on 23 January 2012
CGI-Quality said:
happydolphin said:
CGI-Quality said:
happydolphin said:

I don't completely agree. From the numbers I remember in the charts, the multiplats generally are consistently higher in sales on the 360.

What don't you agree with? It sounds like I agreed with what you're saying, that during that period, the 360 took home the victory (especially in regards to sales). Now, things have evened up a bit, even though sometimes, certain franchises still remain ahead on the 360, such as Assassin's Creed & Madden.

Oh, it just wasn't clear to me that you were speaking in relative terms. I thought you were saying the PS3 was ahead here and there, not that it was just less lagging behind.

With a good deal of franchises, the PS3 is ahead (Street Fighter, Resident Evil, DiRT, Need for Speed, BlazBlue as examples), but I realize that it wasn't always that way (and still in the US, the 360 dominates the PS3 from marketing / word of mouth / sales).

True, but most games, especially those in the top 10, are consistently favoring the 360 globally.



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 January 2012
pezus said:
ZaneWane said:
pezus said:
Jay520 said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
denniswaterman said:

They've said otherwise. Gears is carrying on, much to your disappointment i'm sure. I'm also not sure what kinda garbage you're referring to with an exclusivity contract. No such thing exists. Epic is not a publisher, they can't release console games without a publisher which happens to be Microsoft and they helped Gears of War 3 sell more copies in a fortnight then Sonys biggest IP could in all of 2010.

Well no wonder since Sony's biggest IP wasn't out in 2010. You seem sorely misinformed

You aren't any better. Gran Turismo 5 was indeed released in 2010. The trick to his statement is that he says "all of 2010" when GT5 wasn't even on sale for more than two months.


You've been spying this thread for quite some time, waiting for someone to make a mistake, haven't you?

I must excuse myself. That was my last comment before going to sleep so I was very drowsy. It's still an odd statement when Gears 3 won't come near GT5 overall sales.

if they heavy bundle it like gran turismo then might have chance

Oh, I forgot. Every Sony exclusive is heavily bundled...Seriously, Gears 3 is already heavily bundled by your definition

 
Gears 3 has been bundled. The Kinect stole the show in 2011 though. Without it the PS3 would've smashed the 360. There are still Gears special edition bundles at my Best Buy.