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thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
denniswaterman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

You must forget the Move can control things with depth within a 3D or augmented reality space. The Kinect cannot.

Yeah it can. Any avatar in whatever game supports them is a 3D object withing 3D space and calculated via 24 points in space at any given moment per player. (48 for 2 player games) Move supports 2 points per player .

S.T.A.G.E. said:

2.  Ghost Recon and Forza 4: Move and/or gaming wheel.

sorry, bra no controllers allowed. Just basic Kinect functionality.


youre grasping at straws the move can do all of the things mentioned and a headset couldve been employed on the pc and ps3 versions of mass effect 3. they just chose not to employ them. the kinect makes you the controller but microsoft failed to prove this gen that the kinect could be used to make core games.  when you have no controller theystill cant figure out a way to control 3d space. the move did it before it launched. for gaming purposes there is no comparison. all youre praising is a powerful camera when many cameras can do the same. microsoft just so happened to work out an exclusive partnership with bioware for something most wont use.

please some proof for that. I think its more the fact that kinect basically does free voice controls for them so they didn't have to put resources towards devolping a voice program. If its so easy to do with a mic more companies would do so. Kinect saves them the cost of doing the work, that why its not on pc and ps3. Also they have a game already that lets you control your character in a 3d space, Rise of Nightmares. So please dont make baseless claims.

The Kinect bull has already been admitted.
http://www.xg247.co.uk/news/06/e3-2011-lve-mass-effect-3-doesnt-need-kinect-for-voice-commands/

Its amazing how Microsoft can drop a line at someone and they will so easily believe it. This is just them continuing to convince gamers kinect is core. Its just not. Sorry, its not. 


STAGE: "Voice controls could be done with a headset but would require work on Biowares part in R&D to make it work. Kinect just made it easier on them. Voice commands in no way proves Kinect is for the core."

 

i'm confused. I thought you disagreed with me.


Im not arguing with you. The point is it can be done a deal was made with Microsoft to make the 360 version more appealing. Seriously, can any believe Microsoft can get anything exclusive without a deal anymore? Microsoft has made life easier on devs, but made life harder for consumers.

http://kotaku.com/5810138/mass-effect-3s-new-voice-commands-are-xbox-360+only-and-heres-why



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coolbeans said:
Ajescent said:
People always say XBLA games are far superior to PSN games as if PSN haz no gaemz...why is that?

Do these folks play both sets before coming to this conclusion or because MS bothers to advertise their XBLA games?

Me being one of those, yes.  You don't need ads to tell XBLA offers a deeper overall library.  Which is why this topic is usally cast aside on here, until PSN has year that holds up to XBLA (which I honestly think could be this year with likes of Journey).

XBLA is beyond stacked this year, won't be this year that's for sure.

GAF and others forums seem to ackowledge XBLA is a big asset to MS far more than PSN to Sony, but not the case here.



 

FinalEvangelion said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LivingMetal said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I'm not a fan of shooters, racers, and motion controlled games so the PS3 will have more going for me than the Xbox 360.  But in terms on catering to the masses in general, the titles you mention will outweigh the PS3's line up.  In fact, Alan Wake and Fable appeal FAR more to me than the other titles you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as financially successful than the titles you mentioned.  So sales in not the issue here.

There are more good 360 exclusives than the ones I mentioned, but I was more so focusing on titles that push hardware.

Eitherway, the 360 library as a whole has plenty of variety. The exclusives account for a small fraction of overall sales on both HD platforms.


The first three years of the 360's life had variety and then it all went down hill after that. It all changed as soon as the third party games they were getting were no longer seen as exclusives and they were stuck fending for themselves. They rode out the deals they made this gen and cashed in on Gears of War. It was the same games from that point forward. Shooter, shooter, shooter. I'm also hearing they want another shooter thats like Uncharted 3.  Awesome Microsoft, way to think for yourself. :)


The cancellation of "Cry On" was the turning point for me with the Xbox.  At that point, I knew that MS was going in a different direction than my tastes.  Even third party-wise, PS3 has more that appeals to me when you consider Valkyria, Yakuza, Tales of Graces, Xillia (hopefully), Ni No Kuni, etc.

The Wii U will also have a lot of Japanese titles that wont be hitting the 360 at all as well as any Sony console. Japan has already spoken by leaving 360 games on the shelves. 



Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I don't know man, maybe its just me but I'm the kind of person that would rather consistently hit in the green than hit a hole in one every once in a while.



S.T.A.G.E. said:


The first three years of the 360's life had variety and then it all went down hill after that. It all changed as soon as the third party games they were getting were no longer seen as exclusives and they were stuck fending for themselves. They rode out the deals they made this gen and cashed in on Gears of War. It was the same games from that point forward. Shooter, shooter, shooter. I'm also hearing they want another shooter thats like Uncharted 3.  Awesome Microsoft, way to think for yourself. :)

Hmmm... strange.It seems you're saying the 360 lacks variety. Because I look at the 360 library and I see plenty of variety.

MS may want an Uncharted clone. But lets not forget Uncharted is a Tomb Raider clone. Most of Sony's IPs lack originality.

Also, who makes more shooters than Sony? Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, Mag, Socom, Syphon Filter, are some off the top of my head. I think Sony fans like to pretend PS3 isn't a shooterbox as well.

Sorry if MS isn't putting out the variety you want. But their platform offers plenty of variety as a whole. More than enough to justify a purchase which is why it has sold so well.



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Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The first three years of the 360's life had variety and then it all went down hill after that. It all changed as soon as the third party games they were getting were no longer seen as exclusives and they were stuck fending for themselves. They rode out the deals they made this gen and cashed in on Gears of War. It was the same games from that point forward. Shooter, shooter, shooter. I'm also hearing they want another shooter thats like Uncharted 3.  Awesome Microsoft, way to think for yourself. :)

Hmmm... strange.It seems you're saying the 360 lacks variety. Because I look at the 360 library and I see plenty of variety.

MS may want an Uncharted clone. But lets not forget Uncharted is a Tomb Raider clone. Most of Sony's IPs lack originality.

Also, who makes more shooters than Sony? Killzone, Resistance, Uncharted, Mag, Socom, Syphon Filter, are some off the top of my head. I think Sony fans like to pretend PS3 isn't a shooterbox as well.

Sorry if MS isn't putting out the variety you want. But their platform offers plenty of variety as a whole. More than enough to justify a purchase which is why it has sold so well.


You know just as well as I do that Sony only made TPS and shooters this gen to attract the American audience. Outside of that they've never depended on shooters. Microsoft ALWAYS has. The only time Microsoft had variety was the first three years when they had very little competition. DIspute it if you will, but think about it first. The 360 was my first console this gen so I think I know. Its about the games for me so you can bet I was pissed Sony started off horribly and when Nintendo was lacking games I was all over it. When left alone Microsoft can't hack it, which is why Sony HAS steamrolled them in core IP's.  I agree with balmer that making a AAA IP is no easy thing, but Sony makes it look easy. Theres a difference and whether or not Microsoft has their act together and people think Sony titles are mediocre, they are just missing out on a great variety of experiences. I'm not missing out on anything on the 360, for the past three years I only have to wait once or twice (sometimes three times) a year to sink my teeth into something on that platform. Since 2008, I've never had to worry about Sony. I cannot blame Microsoft from a business perspective for taking the easy route. 



@STAGE

I want to respond to you, but your points seem unorganized. What is the main idea that you're trying to get across? Microsoft has a weak first-party? The Xbox 360 is a casual console? Microsoft is neglecting it's userbase?

Which is it? It seems like you're trying to argue multiple ideas, with no clear focus on any of them.



TheNoobHolocaust said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I don't know man, maybe its just me but I'm the kind of person that would rather consistently hit in the green than hit a hole in one every once in a while.

I see what you're saying, but multiplat games are more appealing than most of Sony's line up.

So while 360 doesn't get as many 1st party exclusives. I can't say there is a lack of quality titles on the 360 thanks to 3rd parties.



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Jay520 said:
@STAGE

I want to respond to you, but your points seem unorganized. What is the main idea that you're trying to get across? Microsoft has a weak first-party? The Xbox 360 is a casual console? Microsoft is neglecting it's userbase?

Which is it? It seems like you're trying to argue multiple ideas, with no clear focus on any of them.


I have to argue so many points because the defense squad uses so many variables. XBLA, when thats not what the point is about. Kinect  when that isn't the point. The point SHOULD be about strong IP's and balmers response to the lack thereof. Microsoft has had a couple, but has given up on them because they dont sell Gears or Halo numbers. Falling back on third parties is not a good idea and even though they had their own IP's Sony learned that lesson, but has since put Microsoft in a rough spot when it came to first and second party IP's.



Mr Puggsly said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS3 gets praise for getting so many exclusives, but it should be noted most of them aren't particularly great and have modest sales. Some of their IPs have even seen a sharp decline.

Ultimately, the 360 has Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, and Kinect. I personally think that outweighs Sony's line up which is why 360 is still going strong.


I don't know man, maybe its just me but I'm the kind of person that would rather consistently hit in the green than hit a hole in one every once in a while.

I see what you're saying, but multiplat games are more appealing than most of Sony's line up.

So while 360 doesn't get as many 1st party exclusives. I can't say there is a lack of quality titles on the 360 thanks to 3rd parties.


I have to agree here, 360 really shines with 3rd party games like Gears and L4D. As far as multiplats, for a long time PS3 was getting the short end of the stick. I like to think thats changed now, there aren't many differences between the two versions of really any multiplat game.

If there are its not noticeable, one of the few exceptions would be Skyrim, the framerate issues are fairly noticeable, but it certainly isn't gamebreaking and is already being patched.