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happydolphin on 19 January 2012
kowenicki said:
happydolphin said:

You do realize 10Million people bought Super Smash bros, do you not? Grammar nazis don't interest me...

Nothing to do with being a grammar Nazi. It could have been posters or poseurs... totally different, so it mattered.  My, my standards have dropped.

Don't stealth:

"I think he means poseurs, education isn't what it was.  "

It's clear what you meant and you insulted my education. You need more stealth training imho.



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theprof00 on 19 January 2012

Until they can somehow make it much easier for PC to connect to TV, or make a handheld that looks good on a TV, set top consoles will not die out.

Sure Ipod and iPad games are growing popular, but that's because people enjoy playing games on the go.
When an iPad is capable of delivering a console quality experience on a big screen, THEN consoles will die.
With Apple nearing their 3rd iPad in less than 3 years, and without these abilities, it looks like their consumers will most likely be spending several more thousands before it happens.
In which time, they could have just bought a console. For every iPad that is released without these capabilities, iPad is "branded" as being a to-go service, and not a home entertainment one.



Seece on 19 January 2012
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Given I used facts and not opinions on forums to come to my conclusions, no you didn't fix it your broke it.

Way back when, Nintendo home console did have all the gamers flock to them, it's been a looong long time since those days though.

Indeed, your numbers prove my point. There are many posers that buy video games. Thanks Seece! ;)

posers? Do you mean posters? Why are you going on about posters. And no the sales do not prove your point that Nintendo has a core home console userbase, actually the opposite, that most if not a huge chunk of the Wii's userbase is casual and buys dance/fitness games. Just look at what charts for the Wii these last 2 years.

You do realize 10Million people bought Super Smash bros Brawl, do you not? Grammar nazis don't interest me... You and Koweniki fit that category very well. I don't lack education, you both lack manners. :P

I'm not a grammar nazi I just didn't know what you meant.

And only a mere 3m more than Melee on Gamecube? It's not as if SSMB doesn't look friendly to casuals either.

Now, I won't say you're using mere opinions, because I don't stoop to that level. I understand what you're saying, that casuals may like SSBB, but it is a known thing in the community that Brawl is a game more geared to the core gamer, especially the one that likes Nintendo games. It's an excellent fighter, very fun, high quality and highly competitive. By the same measure it can be said that Starcraft is more of a game for gamers than for casuals. More evidence is seen in the fan-made smashboards forum/community for super smash Melee/Brawl gaming, discussion and tourneys.

With that said, we can see that with only 3m more than Melee, the proof is that total HW sales in a gen don't prove total number of real gamers on a platform, since the Cube and Wii core base seem to be very similar, if numbers are any indicator (8M to 10M).

Which is exactly the point I'm making.



 

Hynad on 19 January 2012
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Given I used facts and not opinions on forums to come to my conclusions, no you didn't fix it your broke it.

Way back when, Nintendo home console did have all the gamers flock to them, it's been a looong long time since those days though.

Indeed, your numbers prove my point. There are many posers that buy video games. Thanks Seece! ;)

posers? Do you mean posters? Why are you going on about posters. And no the sales do not prove your point that Nintendo has a core home console userbase, actually the opposite, that most if not a huge chunk of the Wii's userbase is casual and buys dance/fitness games. Just look at what charts for the Wii these last 2 years.

You do realize 10Million people bought Super Smash bros Brawl, do you not? Grammar nazis don't interest me... You and Koweniki fit that category very well. I don't lack education, you both lack manners. :P

I'm not a grammar nazi I just didn't know what you meant.

And only a mere 3m more than Melee on Gamecube? It's not as if SSMB doesn't look friendly to casuals either.

Ok... I agree with your stance on most point... 

But you say "only a mere 3m"?  Since when has 3m been concidered anything remotely low?  Not only that, but it's 3m MORE than it's NGC counterpart...

So forgive me to think that this was all writen in bad faith on your part.

The rest of your earlier posts were much more reasonable.



happydolphin on 19 January 2012
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Given I used facts and not opinions on forums to come to my conclusions, no you didn't fix it your broke it.

Way back when, Nintendo home console did have all the gamers flock to them, it's been a looong long time since those days though.

Indeed, your numbers prove my point. There are many posers that buy video games. Thanks Seece! ;)

posers? Do you mean posters? Why are you going on about posters. And no the sales do not prove your point that Nintendo has a core home console userbase, actually the opposite, that most if not a huge chunk of the Wii's userbase is casual and buys dance/fitness games. Just look at what charts for the Wii these last 2 years.

You do realize 10Million people bought Super Smash bros Brawl, do you not? Grammar nazis don't interest me... You and Koweniki fit that category very well. I don't lack education, you both lack manners. :P

I'm not a grammar nazi I just didn't know what you meant.

And only a mere 3m more than Melee on Gamecube? It's not as if SSMB doesn't look friendly to casuals either.

Now, I won't say you're using mere opinions, because I don't stoop to that level. I understand what you're saying, that casuals may like SSBB, but it is a known thing in the community that Brawl is a game more geared to the core gamer, especially the one that likes Nintendo games. It's an excellent fighter, very fun, high quality and highly competitive. By the same measure it can be said that Starcraft is more of a game for gamers than for casuals. More evidence is seen in the fan-made smashboards forum/community for super smash Melee/Brawl gaming, discussion and tourneys.

With that said, we can see that with only 3m more than Melee, the proof is that total HW sales in a gen don't prove total number of real gamers on a platform, since the Cube and Wii core base seem to be very similar, if numbers are any indicator (8M to 10M).

Which is exactly the point I'm making.

You realize the same can be said about the HD consoles? What were the last sales of the main Halo games? I'll help: Reach 8.80m. Halo 3: 11.45m.

It's not so far away from Brawl's 10.89m. So, we can see that since both games are a good indicator of the true gamers (lots of casuals buy COD and Kinect they are not good barometers), and since both have very similar sales, the proper assumption or oracle is to say that both the Nintendo and Microsoft gamer bases are quite similar.

Nuff said?



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Zlejedi on 19 January 2012
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Nah it's way too early. Look at music cds - they are still here despite mp3 revolutionizing the market.


Why do you need a dedicated games machine to play physical media.  

Because while there's no problem to incorporate functions of cd/dvd/br player , pvr device and netflix receiver into a gaming machine - same cannot be done with a classic Hi-fi set.

Cost of hardware needed for core gaming experience is too high to incorporate them into whole mass market.

Exactly, so you can buy a blu ray player with pvr and multimedia capability from Panasonic or you buy the same with a gaming platform built in from Sony....  That sony device isn't a dedicated gaming device is it.  You missed the point... and the guy from paradox also misses the point and seems oblivious to the world outside of PC. 

The one who is missing the point is you since you concentrate on semantics too much to understand what they guy wanted to say. And even in semantics  you are wrong since the guy didn't say dedicated.

Gaming device is a device created with gaming as it's main intended feature - if you don't understand the difference look at smartphone - that's a general device with gaming functionality - then look at Vita - that's a device designed with gaming as it's reason of existence which supports non gaming functions like web browsing or social media.



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AstroMaSSi on 19 January 2012

Hei, I disagree.



AstroMaSSi rules

NintendoPie on 19 January 2012
AstroMaSSi said:
Hei, I disagree.


I would hope so! This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about XD



Seece on 19 January 2012
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Which is exactly the point I'm making.

You realize the same can be said about the HD consoles? What were the last sales of the main Halo games? I'll help: Reach 8.80m. Halo 3: 11.45m.

It's not so far away from Brawl's 10.89m. So, we can see that since both games are a good indicator of the true gamers (lots of casuals buy COD and Kinect they are not good barometers), and since both have very similar sales, the proper assumption or oracle is to say that both the Nintendo and Microsoft gamer bases are quite similar.

Nuff said?

No, not even close. Halo has a lot of competition, Nintendo first party games get a free ride nearly every gen.



 

theprof00 on 19 January 2012
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Given I used facts and not opinions on forums to come to my conclusions, no you didn't fix it your broke it.

Way back when, Nintendo home console did have all the gamers flock to them, it's been a looong long time since those days though.

Indeed, your numbers prove my point. There are many posers that buy video games. Thanks Seece! ;)

posers? Do you mean posters? Why are you going on about posters. And no the sales do not prove your point that Nintendo has a core home console userbase, actually the opposite, that most if not a huge chunk of the Wii's userbase is casual and buys dance/fitness games. Just look at what charts for the Wii these last 2 years.

You do realize 10Million people bought Super Smash bros Brawl, do you not? Grammar nazis don't interest me... You and Koweniki fit that category very well. I don't lack education, you both lack manners. :P

I'm not a grammar nazi I just didn't know what you meant.

And only a mere 3m more than Melee on Gamecube? It's not as if SSMB doesn't look friendly to casuals either.

Now, I won't say you're using mere opinions, because I don't stoop to that level. I understand what you're saying, that casuals may like SSBB, but it is a known thing in the community that Brawl is a game more geared to the core gamer, especially the one that likes Nintendo games. It's an excellent fighter, very fun, high quality and highly competitive. By the same measure it can be said that Starcraft is more of a game for gamers than for casuals. More evidence is seen in the fan-made smashboards forum/community for super smash Melee/Brawl gaming, discussion and tourneys.

With that said, we can see that with only 3m more than Melee, the proof is that total HW sales in a gen don't prove total number of real gamers on a platform, since the Cube and Wii core base seem to be very similar, if numbers are any indicator (8M to 10M).

Which is exactly the point I'm making.

While it wasn't from you, I remember catching a lot of flak for showing how it's roughly a core userbase of 8 million dedicated (traditionally core) gamers.