Just about to go to bed, but i would point out the error that NSMB is not a remake of the original Super Mario Bros (which was 1985 btw)

Not only they are still around, as those black vinyl discs are on the rise again.

I heard similar stories when VHS, Dvd, mobile phones, e-readers were launched........movie teathers, cable phones and printed books are still around, and it seems that they still will be for a long time.

I think the same goes to videogaming: it´s simply a different experience playing them on a mobile phone or PC, people who really love games will, at least for a long time, prefer to play them in a console, with joysticks or motion controls, simply because it´s a lot easier to use a console than a PC or cell phone to play.

One think that may change, but not in short-therms, is the end of physical media. I think we (someday) may reach a point where you´ll have the option to buy your games by download or physical media, and then only by download. But as happens with the vynil discs and printed books, it will be a dramatically change and some people may simply not engage it.

And yet the lack of games is something you agree that is killing the wii.

You think 360 and ps3 keep growing yoy because of one game? If that was true, it would be the same for wii, which it isn't.

But I do commend you for your ability to cherry pick muramasa and LKS as being counter-points, when my point was that the wii didn't have enough variety of those types of games to completely sustain a specific demographic. This is why I said, a guy into racers could subsist completely on 360 or ps3, because there are so many, with such different styles, and wii really only has one type. I never said vanillaware games sold well on other systems. I brought up muramasa as beign an example that wii does have other games, just not enough of them to suit a specific demographic solely.

I also never said that the HD twins "excel" at platformers. I said a fan of platformers could subsist entirely off of what's available on them. When I said "none of those genres on wii are capable of supporting one demographic, I didn't mean platformers. It was misworded. But again, congrats on using that ONE aspect of my point to prove me wrong. Obviously, had I left that part out, you'd still find something to say, right?

All I'm saying is that based on the buying trends of the games and genres available, it appears that the traditional-core gamer userbase is roughly 8m+. I showed some examples of why I think that is true, based on the fact that for traditional gamers, there is really only mario and platformers. Nintendo can only really deliver to one demographic, and even then, there's only like ONE of each franchise installment therein. They really don't do much to help out. What's harsh but true is the near nonexistence of genres outside of platforming on the wii, in terms of traditional core gaming.

Based on the fact that the platform gamer only gets one installment of a franchise platform, and then must buy a different franchise, and how all the platformers tend to have the same sales, along with zelda. It's not hard to see the correlation in their sales. Wii has lots of overlap. That has to do with the fact that they haven't put out a sequel to anything besides galaxy and zelda in 5 whole years.

Seeing as how this was the point of my argument in the first place, and how you are denouncing the entire argument, please, find fault with it aside from  correctly pointing out that NSMB is actually a SM3/SMW remake.

bold prediction.

1 word... No. Rol, care to kick in, I'm not  a list-jutsu expert. :P Plus, didn't you bring up LKS (sim-rpg) and Muramasa:demon blade (action-rpg)? How could you say there is only mario and platforms, that would logically mean you yourself aren't a true gamer, and that's not true. I rather think your presumption is wrong... ;P

I'm having trouble following your argument. Because two games exist, then suddenly there is plenty enough to sustain multiple demographics?

Basically, I can see your argument IF you can give me a traditionally core genre besides platforming that is readily available in abundance on the wii.

Secondly, this is only one line of my argument, which in total was saying that based on the limited number of unique franchise titles available for platforming, once someone has beaten something like Donkey Kong, there is no 2nd donkey kong, they MUST play a different franchise, thereby relegating a core platform buyer to buying every franchise platformer. This results in the very similar sales of the nintendo franchise platformers beginning to who the actual traditional core userbase.

Seems to be bogus? Haha. NICE COUNTER. No evidence, just words. Classic.

:D at the remake. Hilarious how the first level of NSMBDS is SMB level 1, and all the enemies from SMW are used. It's a throwback. It's a revival. It is so obviously geared toward the nostalgia crowd. Even all the ads showed level one and growing huge and just running through the level, at the end of the commercial, it's showing world 1-2.

I  OWN the game, and what made me buy it was that it was a throw back. That commercial is what sold me.

anyway, if you want to continue this, we can do it in a new thread.

Although I'm sure this thread has already outlived its previously expected lifetime.

It's called proof by counterexample.

The proposition:

"there is really only mario and platformers."

And its counter-examples you so kindly provided, both considered RPGs on wikipedia:

LKS, Murasama 

I understand, but you do realize loose wording like "there is really only mario and platformers." really annoys the heck out of Nintendo gamers. It makes you sound ignorant, and it's very misleading. There are many more games in other genres, but I'm leaving that up to others I'm not big on list wars...

With this logic you will enrage Nintendo fans, as they are constantly being told "Nintendo does nothing but milking their platforms"... One day they are told that, now they are told this... What is it people want??? :$

I don't understand this sentence, esp. bold. Honest uncertainty, sorry ... :S