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Forums - Sales Discussion - NPD Dec: X360 #1, 1.7m, 900k - 1m Wii, PS3

Frazier noted that the only platforms to see a month-on-month increase during December were the 3DS and DS, "which is highly unusual since typically all platforms enjoy a lift in the biggest month at retail

so PS3 and Wii both are lower than Nov. figures.



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I'm just curious what the Wii and PS3 REALLY sold this NPD. If the 360 had a 46% market share with only 1.7 million sold, then that means the Wii + PS3 = less than 2 million combined. Relative to what we were expecting, these are pretty bad #'s across the board. Just crazy that mostly everyone did they holiday shopping in the last week on November.



maybe some rich oligarch in russia or so bought 1 million xbox 360s just because he can? or to build a big 360 with 1 milion small ones?



MaulerX said:
I'm just curious what the Wii and PS3 REALLY sold this NPD. If the 360 had a 46% market share with only 1.7 million sold, then that means the Wii + PS3 = less than 2 million combined. Relative to what we were expecting, these are pretty bad #'s across the board. Just crazy that mostly everyone did they holiday shopping in the last week on November.

Seems like...

Wii: ~1m
PS3: ~900k (up yoy)



So Wii is at most 860k and PS3 is at most 900k. Wow...



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Want 3ds, mk7 and SML3D numbers, and Zelda if possible.



Pretty bad, for VG credibility ...
The only explanation is that we are undertracking the 360 in Europe AND Microsoft has overshipped it .. stuffing the channels perhaps, the strong demand back in Nov might tricked them into it.

Disappointing numbers all around.



Seece said:

" Finally, she notes that "Wii and the PS3 were neck and neck in second place for Annual 2011."

PS3 was 80k ahead of Wii up until Dec, so I think Wi must have sold better to be neck and neck.

Perhaps 1m for Wii (giving it the 4.5m Nintendo stated) and 900k for PS3 (also 4.5m)

You'd almost want to believe NPD screwed up and provided the November report in error, rather than the industry was that far down.



crissindahouse said:
Jexy said:

Europe's economy is way worse than the States, so really, its the two major territories for gaming.  People can talk about the Yen being a problem, but for consumers it's great.  It means their money buys more stuff for less.  But from what I heard, people were more apt to buy one big thing and a few little things this year, as in, maybe a 360 for one kid, and an ipod for another, etc... instead of everyone getting a game console or a TV etc.  Cost of living around the world continues to rise, yet wages fall.

depends how you look at it. there are some shitty countries but many are very good as well. it's just when one ore two contries are shit (greece, italy, spain) than the euro is fucked and it looks like whole europes economy is bad but that's no true germany's for example is very good atm but still our euro here in germany is fucked^^

i really have the feeling seeing americans talking about europe you see us more as one than we europeans do and should see us. it's sad but theres much hate atm between some countries we are really not "one europe" like we should be

Well the Euro wasn't the best idea ever really... they've already broken all the rules they said they were never to break (loaning out money to crap countries) and think about it, in just a decade, in just a part of our lifetimes, the Euro was invented and already falling apart.  Germany is the only country that doesn't suck that is part of the Euro.  Even France is getting downgraded.  Germany alone cannot hold up all of Europe.  They don't even like their position as they have rejected many of the suggestions the other weaker countries have made (aka please empty your banks Germany). 

But yes, as an economy, we see Europe as one now because of the Euro.  The English speaking countries we kind of see as seperate, since they are in many ways with the land divide, non Euro, etc.  The one Europe thing is a great idea, but most Europeans would rather combine their might in spite of the USA, rather than for themselves.  Hence why they all have their own agendas and why most financial analysts don't think the Euro will recover well. 

Also, keep in mind, unemployment in a bad USA economy is the norm for a good Euro economy.  Euro countries always have high unenployment even when things are "good" but now, unenomployment is so bad in most Euro countries, its more than double, and in same cases, triple, even quadruple what it is here in USA.  I think things will get worse for both America and Europe in the next few months, since all that "holiday" hiring was smoke and mirrors.  Also, a totally united Europe is difficult when you include countries that are barely first world. 



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forest-spirit said:

So Wii is at most 860k and PS3 is at most 900k. Wow...

860k is last month... this month is more like a little over 1m for Wii.