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Jay520 on 15 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
kowenicki said:

Not sure you can blame natural disasters on them....

Their startegy left zero room for maneuver and the awful tragedy of the tsunami hit them very hard.

Okay, but this was in 2011, long after it became clear that the PS3 would be a failure.

All things considered, Sony actually had more luck than bad luck this generation. It could have been way worse for them.



How were they lucky?

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SWORDF1SH on 15 January 2012
kowenicki said:

It was juvenile.

Alos, it has nothing to do with glossing over anything.  It has to do with the fact that a gamble... a massive gamble... back fired, because they didnt consider scenarios that could undo their work.  They arrogantly assumed the PS3/Blu-Ray trojan would fly at the launch price, they assumed market share, they assumed PS2 like profits. It didnt happen that way and then they had some pretty bad luck on top.  Yes they were unlucky, but you make your own luck.


And you're assuming a lot of things and putting it across as fact.

You don't know. Anyway the gaming division is turning a profit. And I keep saying it. The Yen. Its not arrogant to assume that massive changes in the strength of the Yen wouldnt happen. It wasn't much of a gamble because it wasn't likely to happen. Blu-Ray was a gamble that paid off because it won and will make them money. And if the strength of the yen didnt change so much they would of been making money years ago and the gaming division would be making a lot more of a profit now.

You Sir are just hell bent on putting Sony in a bad light with all your assuming.

Just say it "I HATE SONY!".

You'll feel better.



zhao3gold on 15 January 2012

to SWORDFISH:

Just say it "I HATE MICROSOFT".

You'll fee better.



Jay520 on 15 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

 How were they lucky?

Microsoft's inability to break into the Japanese market, Microsoft's RRoD issue that made people opt for a PS3 instead of the cheaper 360 in the West and third parties despising Nintendo's Wii were all factors out of Sony's control, but helped them to maintain third party support instead of getting abandoned. Without major third party support the PS3 would have never gotten out of the hole that Sony dug for it.



Most of your points seem sound. However one could make the case that Sony's third party support was partially the result of their own actions. Of course, the reasons you listed definitely aided the PS3's 3rd party support, but Sony's own actions were definitely a contributing factor. By making their console so similar to the Xbox 360, they gave 3rd parties a doubled market by selling games on the X360 and their console. This probably caused the PS3+360 market to seem much more viable than the Wii's.

And I really don't think RRoD was that big of an issue. I'd say it only effected maybe 1% of consumer decisions back when it was the most prevalent.

hatmoza on 15 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

 How were they lucky?

Microsoft's inability to break into the Japanese market, Microsoft's RRoD issue that made people opt for a PS3 instead of the cheaper 360 in the West and third parties despising Nintendo's Wii were all factors out of Sony's control, but helped them to maintain third party support instead of getting abandoned. Without major third party support the PS3 would have never gotten out of the hole that Sony dug for it.


You're a sportsman rol. You ever here that common argument sportscasters and radioshow hosts throw around when someone tries to down-play a bad team's undeserved win?

a win is a win is a win is a win.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

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hatmoza on 15 January 2012

except in ps3's example, ability to stick around.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

psrock on 15 January 2012
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

 How were they lucky?

Microsoft's inability to break into the Japanese market, Microsoft's RRoD issue that made people opt for a PS3 instead of the cheaper 360 in the West and third parties despising Nintendo's Wii were all factors out of Sony's control, but helped them to maintain third party support instead of getting abandoned. Without major third party support the PS3 would have never gotten out of the hole that Sony dug for it.

That's a terrific post. You are getting better now in the PS3 vs 360 threads while you wait for the Wii U to be released. 

On a serious note, Sony messed themselves up more than MS rrod could ever have done. Most rrod people kept buying new xbox anyway. 



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SWORDF1SH on 15 January 2012
zhao3gold said:
to SWORDFISH:

Just say it "I HATE MICROSOFT".

You'll fee better.

From what part of my comments would you assume that?



SWORDF1SH on 15 January 2012
kowenicki said:
SWORDF1SH said:
kowenicki said:

It was juvenile.

Alos, it has nothing to do with glossing over anything.  It has to do with the fact that a gamble... a massive gamble... back fired, because they didnt consider scenarios that could undo their work.  They arrogantly assumed the PS3/Blu-Ray trojan would fly at the launch price, they assumed market share, they assumed PS2 like profits. It didnt happen that way and then they had some pretty bad luck on top.  Yes they were unlucky, but you make your own luck.


And you're assuming a lot of things and putting it across as fact.

You don't know. Anyway the gaming division is turning a profit. And I keep saying it. The Yen. Its not arrogant to assume that massive changes in the strength of the Yen wouldnt happen. It wasn't much of a gamble because it wasn't likely to happen. Blu-Ray was a gamble that paid off because it won and will make them money. And if the strength of the yen didnt change so much they would of been making money years ago and the gaming division would be making a lot more of a profit now.

You Sir are just hell bent on putting Sony in a bad light with all your assuming.

Just say it "I HATE SONY!".

You'll feel better.

There isn't a gaming division..... Sony make more profit from selling insurance than from all their other divisions put together.

Again, I talk about the yen more than anyone, but I get called a hater for that for some odd reason.  There are quite a few threads I started here about the very subject.. go look.  I get the massive impact of the Yen more than anyone here...  e.g. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=137286&page=1

Blu ray wont make anywhere near the revenue for Sony that people would have you believe.

...and you Sir are just another in a long line of sony apologists... boring.

Ok cool you like talking about the yen so you should know then that sony loses are out of their control and not because they're were arrogant. Yes maybe they were more confident and maybe a bit arrogant the start of this gen but maybe thats what happens when you're on top. look at ms now. And i know there isnt a gaming division. Is it entertainment  division? but there was a break down in a recent report  that showed you the profits and loses within that division and the gaming part of it was pulling in a profit.

I might be sticking up for sony and might be boring to you but you're the oppisite. Is that not boring too?



SWORDF1SH on 15 January 2012
kowenicki said:
SWORDF1SH said:
kowenicki said:
SWORDF1SH said:
kowenicki said:

It was juvenile.

Alos, it has nothing to do with glossing over anything.  It has to do with the fact that a gamble... a massive gamble... back fired, because they didnt consider scenarios that could undo their work.  They arrogantly assumed the PS3/Blu-Ray trojan would fly at the launch price, they assumed market share, they assumed PS2 like profits. It didnt happen that way and then they had some pretty bad luck on top.  Yes they were unlucky, but you make your own luck.


And you're assuming a lot of things and putting it across as fact.

You don't know. Anyway the gaming division is turning a profit. And I keep saying it. The Yen. Its not arrogant to assume that massive changes in the strength of the Yen wouldnt happen. It wasn't much of a gamble because it wasn't likely to happen. Blu-Ray was a gamble that paid off because it won and will make them money. And if the strength of the yen didnt change so much they would of been making money years ago and the gaming division would be making a lot more of a profit now.

You Sir are just hell bent on putting Sony in a bad light with all your assuming.

Just say it "I HATE SONY!".

You'll feel better.

There isn't a gaming division..... Sony make more profit from selling insurance than from all their other divisions put together.

Again, I talk about the yen more than anyone, but I get called a hater for that for some odd reason.  There are quite a few threads I started here about the very subject.. go look.  I get the massive impact of the Yen more than anyone here...  e.g. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=137286&page=1

Blu ray wont make anywhere near the revenue for Sony that people would have you believe.

...and you Sir are just another in a long line of sony apologists... boring.

Ok cool you like talking about the yen so you should know then that sony loses are out of their control and not because they're were arrogant. Yes maybe they were more confident and maybe a bit arrogant the start of this gen but maybe thats what happens when you're on top. look at ms now. And i know there isnt a gaming division. Is it entertainment  division? but there was a break down in a recent report  that showed you the profits and loses within that division and the gaming part of it was pulling in a profit.

I might be sticking up for sony and might be boring to you but you're the oppisite. Is that not boring too?


so now you are agreeing with everything I said earlier in the thread...

I said, they were arrogant in the beginnng and then got unlucky later....

good.  we agree.


I didn't disagree with you about that. I just disagree that you think its the reason why they lost millions. Anyway it's clear we aren't going to agree on anything else so lets agree to disagree.