@greenmedic88

I just can't see any SMG having better accuracy than an assault rifle, no matter how inaccurate the rifle is in relation to other rifles. That being said, I do not yet have any experience with the AK-47 although I hope to change this in a few weeks. Another thing about your post, why not invest a hundred dollars for a decent rifle scope for an AK-47? It's not exactly a major investment. Finally, I've seen an AK reliably hit a human sized target from over 600 meters once a scope and new barrel had been installed, an AK chambered with 7.62x39. Not all ammo is the same level of quality. Wolf manufactures 7.62x39 rounds that as far as I can tell are accurate, clean and have additional stopping power.

An MP5 will be more accurate than a regular AK-47 chambered in 7.62x39 at 100 yards. That's not an opinion or dependent on the shooter. It just is. Not comparing range or stopping power here obviously; that's not the point. Obviously any centerfire rifle cartridge beats any pistol round south of impractial hand cannon chamberings. 

Take a Valmet or a Galil or any custom type AK and you have a different contest. Again, that's not the point. Naturally, a $2,000 AK is going to shoot circles around a $400 one. 

And no, I wouldn't put a $1,000+ Swarovski or Leupold scope on a $400 AK either. 

FYI: Wolf ammo is cheap, but you get what you pay for. Nobody buys it for the accuracy.

"I've seen an AK reliably hit a human sized target from over 600 meters once a scope and new barrel had been installed, an AK chambered with 7.62x39"

That I'd like to see. Anyone capable of that can shoot the same or better with any rifle of their choice. 

The claim would be more believable had you said you'd seen an SVD chambered in 7.62x54R reliably hit a human sized target over 600 meters. They may look similar, but they are not. 

hmm, I said a $100 scope, not $1,000 :/

Undoubtedly a great marksman can make the shot with any rifle, was just stating that the AK platform is capable of reliably making shots greater than 400 meters with some investment. I'm certain it was an AK chamebered with 7.62x39mm, I guess I'll eventually find out for myself when I get to try one out with a 20'' barrel and decent scope. If I was misinformed about Wolf Ammo is there an alternative that you would recomend? Thanks in advance.

The thing is, the "government controlled" US Army would cease to be controlled by the government the minute the government orders it to attack or subdue its own citizens.

The great thing about our military is that it is an all volunteer military... you're not forced into it at gunpoint, and you are not indoctrinated into believing that everthing you must do is for the good of the government.  The minute the US government turns on the American people, the military will turn on the government.

I would want my SHTF weapons to be an AK-47 (because it needs less maintenance than an AR), a Pump shotgun like a Remington 870, and two 1911 handguns. 

And tons of ammo! But yeah we don't each need like 50 weapons, that's just pointless since you can't carry them all. 

It's not so much gun ownership that's a problem, it's gun culture.

You can have high gun ownership rates where guns are almost never used on humans. In New Zealand we have a lot of guns around but almost entirely they're used for hunting or sport - nobody carries guns around for self-defence and they're kept in locked cases when in the home. I believe this different idea of what guns are meant for is the reason why gun crime in New Zealand is so much lower than in the United States. By and large even the criminals here don't use guns and the police rarely use guns as well (and don't carry them with them normally).

Even Lee Harvey Oswald made a couple of pretty unbelievable shots with what most would consider to be a pretty craptastic rifle in the Mannlicher-Carcano. That doesn't make it a shooter's weapon.

As for the AK; it's effective range is accepted by militaries as 350 m. I really don't care about miracle shots (see above) or stories about someone who heard about someone who took someone's head off at a 1,000 yards with an antique SKS. Frankly, anyone shooting at 300m or greater could probably choose at least a dozen different rifles that would be a much better choice.

7.62x39 Wolf ammo is cheap because the cases are steel, not brass and bullets are also steel jacketed/copper guilded, which causes faster barrel wear than regular copper jackets. Brass costs more than steel, as does copper. Ergo; it's cheaper to manufacture. Some ranges won't even allow its use because of the additional riccochet factor and the berdan primed steel cases can't be reloaded/recycled. 

In general, any Russian manufactured ammo being sold in the US is used because it's cheap and plentiful. 

American made ammo, whether it's Olin (Winchester), Hornady, Remington, or any of the dozens of premium ammo manufacturers (Black Hills, etc), or European ammo like Dynamit-Nobel (great, but rare in the US) Gecco (good) Sellier & Bellot (decent) are much better. But why put premium ammo through an ordinary AK with 3-5" MOA accuracy?

Well maybe that's a partial indicator of how American society is regressing and/or why we're failing as a society.

These days police patrol cars in virtually every American city have both the old standby shotgun as well as an AR-15 readily available. I for one won't condemn the policy because of crazy things that happen like the infamous North Hollywood shootout of '97.

A part of that is influenced by popular media from film to video games. They do influence the easily influenced. I'm inclined to think the beforementioned North Hollywood incident must have been influenced by Michael Mann's '95 film Heat, due to the similarities.

But American gun culture itself has nothing to do with crime. Certainly not the NRA culture that promotes safety, responsibility and personal accountability. I'm more inclined to think the NRA itself exaggerates the self-defense angle in the interest of gaining more support from members (donations) as well as that of the small arms industry as a whole (it's a multi billion dollar industry). The core of the NRA membership really just consists of sport/competitive shooters and hunters.

Guns should not be outlawed in America. If they are outlawed, people who want to kill people will get guns another way. Unfortunately, though, citizens will not be able to protect themselves from the aforementioned homicidal people.

I am a doctor, i don't plan to own guns. I would feel a lot safer if my neighbor who may have some kind of underlying psychiatric conditions do NOT have access to firearm. I don't care of the thieves do, because they when try to rob your house, they really don't give a damn if you have a gun or not. They are prepared to come and who's gona know u have one? 99% of the people who has them probably haven't fired it in such a long time they don't even know where the safety switch is on their pistol.