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JEMC on 31 December 2011
snakenobi said:
JEMC said:

snakenobi said:

what do dual and tripple channel ram motherboards mean?

In simple words, it's the nº of channels the CPU use to "talk" with your RAM. More channels = better speeds but also more latency. More: wikipedia

Most CPUs use dual channel, the "old" Intel's i7 (the likes of 920/930, 950 etc.) use triple channel while the new i7 (3930K) go with quad channel. When buying the RAM the difference is that dual channel kits comes in packs of 2 modules, triple channel comes in packs of 3 and quads in packs of 4.

the same for pci-e slots,what do channels mean 

The combo CPU-chipset (like those of X79, Z68, P67, 990FX, etc) talk to the devices that you install in the motherboard via a series of lanes. This number of lanes are finite (X79 gives you 40 PCIe 2.0 lanes while the 990FX has 42) and are spreaded into the different PCI slots that comes with your mobo. Simply put, the more the better. But be careful with the names, a PCIe 2.0 is different from a PCIe. To learn more: wikipedia

and speed mean liek 16x or 8x?

This multiplier tells you the number of lanes the PCIe uses (16x = 16 lanes, 4x = 4 lanes). Every motherboard has at least 1 PCIe 2.0 x16, and this is where the graphics card goes. If you go with SLI/Xfire you must look at the other PCIe slots. When using 2 Gfx cards some boards will split those 16 lanes into the 2 cards (8 for each one). The difference in performance is usually negligible. See more examples here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/23/gtx_480_sli_pcie_bandwidth_perf_x16x16_vs_x8x8/

I hope it helps.

1-does the 2nd PS-E slot not being 16x reduce the speed and performance

or does it only need 16x in total,8x in one and 8x in other

 

2-there should be enough PCI-E slot to accomodate audio card,wifi,bluetooth card

 

3-about ram lanes,is it necessary to ram in specific amount or is it just to increase performance?

for example:if i buy 8gbs of ram and cpu support triple channel.and suppose 8gbs are divided into 4 2gb memory.will the 4th memory not work or perform as well?

1-Most, if not all, motherboards come with 2 or more PCIe x16 slots. If you only use 1 Gfx card it will use the 16 lanes available but if you use 2 Gfx cards then the number will be split into the 2 slots making 8 lanes for each slot, but that depends of the chipset. Intel's z68 (s1155-2600K) can only give 16 lanes for graphics (1x16 or 2x8) but the new X79 (s2011-3960X) has enough to give you 2x16 + 1x8.

But remember that, as the article I linked says: "It seems that at 2560x1600, even with 4X AA, there was absolutely no difference between x16/x16 and x8/x8. This is good news if you game at x8/x8 on a single display configuration at 2560x1600 and below. You simply are not missing anything, and moving up to x16/x8 or x16/x16 will yield no performance improvements or gameplay differences".

2-Don't worry for that, you can use all the slots of your mobo at the same time without problems as, other than the Gfx cards, the rest don't need that much bandwidth.

1 and 2- See the specifications  and the pics of this mobos:

Intel Z68 - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z68_DELUXE/#specifications

2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)  If you only use the blue one you'll have 16. If you also use the white one both will have 8.
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
2 x PCI

Intel X79 - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79/#specifications

2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (dual x16) *1 The 2 blue slots will give you 16.
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode) *1
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
1 x PCI

3-I'm going to be honest: I don't know.



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snakenobi on 31 December 2011
JEMC said:
snakenobi said:
JEMC said:

snakenobi said:

what do dual and tripple channel ram motherboards mean?

In simple words, it's the nº of channels the CPU use to "talk" with your RAM. More channels = better speeds but also more latency. More: wikipedia

Most CPUs use dual channel, the "old" Intel's i7 (the likes of 920/930, 950 etc.) use triple channel while the new i7 (3930K) go with quad channel. When buying the RAM the difference is that dual channel kits comes in packs of 2 modules, triple channel comes in packs of 3 and quads in packs of 4.

the same for pci-e slots,what do channels mean 

The combo CPU-chipset (like those of X79, Z68, P67, 990FX, etc) talk to the devices that you install in the motherboard via a series of lanes. This number of lanes are finite (X79 gives you 40 PCIe 2.0 lanes while the 990FX has 42) and are spreaded into the different PCI slots that comes with your mobo. Simply put, the more the better. But be careful with the names, a PCIe 2.0 is different from a PCIe. To learn more: wikipedia

and speed mean liek 16x or 8x?

This multiplier tells you the number of lanes the PCIe uses (16x = 16 lanes, 4x = 4 lanes). Every motherboard has at least 1 PCIe 2.0 x16, and this is where the graphics card goes. If you go with SLI/Xfire you must look at the other PCIe slots. When using 2 Gfx cards some boards will split those 16 lanes into the 2 cards (8 for each one). The difference in performance is usually negligible. See more examples here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/23/gtx_480_sli_pcie_bandwidth_perf_x16x16_vs_x8x8/

I hope it helps.

1-does the 2nd PS-E slot not being 16x reduce the speed and performance

or does it only need 16x in total,8x in one and 8x in other

 

2-there should be enough PCI-E slot to accomodate audio card,wifi,bluetooth card

 

3-about ram lanes,is it necessary to ram in specific amount or is it just to increase performance?

for example:if i buy 8gbs of ram and cpu support triple channel.and suppose 8gbs are divided into 4 2gb memory.will the 4th memory not work or perform as well?

1-Most, if not all, motherboards come with 2 or more PCIe x16 slots. If you only use 1 Gfx card it will use the 16 lanes available but if you use 2 Gfx cards then the number will be split into the 2 slots making 8 lanes for each slot, but that depends of the chipset. Intel's z68 (s1155-2600K) can only give 16 lanes for graphics (1x16 or 2x8) but the new X79 (s2011-3960X) has enough to give you 2x16 + 1x8.

But remember that, as the article I linked says: "It seems that at 2560x1600, even with 4X AA, there was absolutely no difference between x16/x16 and x8/x8. This is good news if you game at x8/x8 on a single display configuration at 2560x1600 and below. You simply are not missing anything, and moving up to x16/x8 or x16/x16 will yield no performance improvements or gameplay differences".

2-Don't worry for that, you can use all the slots of your mobo at the same time without problems as, other than the Gfx cards, the rest don't need that much bandwidth.

1 and 2- See the specifications  and the pics of this mobos:

Intel Z68 - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z68_DELUXE/#specifications

2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)  If you only use the blue one you'll have 16. If you also use the white one both will have 8.
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black)
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
2 x PCI

Intel X79 - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/P9X79/#specifications

2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (dual x16) *1 The 2 blue slots will give you 16.
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode) *1
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
1 x PCI

3-I'm going to be honest: I don't know.


do you know about any high res displays?

i can find no siplays above 1080p

1080p is good but for a PC when you sit upfront,you can see the pixels.

i checked out APPLE Thunderbolt Display but it doesn't take input from anything other than thunderbolt PC.



JEMC on 31 December 2011

There are various brands with monitors with a higher resolution than 1080p, and they are all in the 27 or 30" size.

Three of those brands are Dell, HP and NEC.

Dell: The U2711 is a 27" monitor with a res of 2560x1440 (16:9). There is also the U3011 with a 30" screen and a res of 2560x1600 (16:10).

HP: The ZR2740w is a 27" monitor with a res of 2560x1440 (16:9). There is also the ZR30w with a 30" screen and a res of 2560x1600 (16:10).

NEC: The MultiSync PA271w and the MultiSync PA301w. You can guess the size and res of those

Btw, all this monitors have an IPS screen (better colors and blacks than a TN screen).



Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

drkohler on 31 December 2011
snakenobi said:


u didn't answer the ram vs channel question?

if ram is put in for exmaple,if the processor supports 3 channel and i put in 4 ram sticks,will it effect performance

3930x costs me $1200 and 3960x costs me $1400 in india,is it worth it or will intel bring 6core processors for $300 in 1.5-2 year time

how much ram compensates in encoding time for cpu power

does cache has to do anything with performace time as i can buy an ssd if needed,a small one

If you want to show-off, go for the expensive stuff and find enough people you can brag with your system.

If you want to actually work/game, a Sandy Bridge i7, 16/32G Ram (1600, anything higher is a waste of money) and an Nvidia580 (with lots of ram) is all you need. Since you say you live in India, a stable UPS and good cooling is a better idea than wasting money on overrated stuff (which includes SSDs that make booting 20sec faster and for the rest of the day heat up your PC for nothing).



zarx on 31 December 2011
snakenobi said:


u didn't answer the ram vs channel question?

if ram is put in for exmaple,if the processor supports 3 channel and i put in 4 ram sticks,will it effect performance

 

3930x costs me $1200 and 3960x costs me $1400 in india,is it worth it or will intel bring 6core processors for $300 in 1.5-2 year time

 

how much ram compensates in encoding time for cpu power

 

does cache has to do anything with performace time as i can buy an ssd if needed,a small one


For optimum performance you always want to use matched RAM in all the channels so yes putting 4 sticks into a 3 channel board will have a detremental effect. But if your mobo supports it 2 sets of 3 is fine in a 3 channel system.

Personally I don't think that the 3960 is worth it over the 3930, Ivy bridge that is the next gen of CPUs from intel so far hasn't had a 6 core chip announced for consumer level CPUs. There may be a E series Ivy bridge but that will be on the LGA 2011 socket which is what the 3XXX series uses so if you go for a 1155 2x00 CPU to upgrade later you would have to upgrade the motherboard etc as well and they will likely be very expensive. So no there doesn't seem to be a $300 6 core CPU on the horizon at the moment but these things tend to change. 

You more bottlenecks the CPU that you have so it's more that as you get a faster CPU the more RAM you will need to get the most out of the performance so you can't really compensate. 



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snakenobi on 01 January 2012
zarx said:
snakenobi said:


u didn't answer the ram vs channel question?

if ram is put in for exmaple,if the processor supports 3 channel and i put in 4 ram sticks,will it effect performance

 

3930x costs me $1200 and 3960x costs me $1400 in india,is it worth it or will intel bring 6core processors for $300 in 1.5-2 year time

 

how much ram compensates in encoding time for cpu power

 

does cache has to do anything with performace time as i can buy an ssd if needed,a small one


For optimum performance you always want to use matched RAM in all the channels so yes putting 4 sticks into a 3 channel board will have a detremental effect. But if your mobo supports it 2 sets of 3 is fine in a 3 channel system.

Personally I don't think that the 3960 is worth it over the 3930, Ivy bridge that is the next gen of CPUs from intel so far hasn't had a 6 core chip announced for consumer level CPUs. There may be a E series Ivy bridge but that will be on the LGA 2011 socket which is what the 3XXX series uses so if you go for a 1155 2x00 CPU to upgrade later you would have to upgrade the motherboard etc as well and they will likely be very expensive. So no there doesn't seem to be a $300 6 core CPU on the horizon at the moment but these things tend to change. 

You more bottlenecks the CPU that you have so it's more that as you get a faster CPU the more RAM you will need to get the most out of the performance so you can't really compensate. 


not in ivy bridge

the one after that

 

intel usually does small upgrades and i won't be upgrading that soon either as ivy bridge is just 3 months away

 

so in 12-13 months time when they take out the one after that,will that be good?



zarx on 01 January 2012
snakenobi said:


not in ivy bridge

the one after that

 

intel usually does small upgrades and i won't be upgrading that soon either as ivy bridge is just 3 months away

 

so in 12-13 months time when they take out the one after that,will that be good?


Haswell is planned to have a 6 core CPU but will also introduce an all new socket. Anything that far out is subject to change but it will likely outstrip anything out today, but don't you need/ want the new system some time soon? Maybe I am not understanding your situation here...



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snakenobi on 01 January 2012
zarx said:
snakenobi said:


not in ivy bridge

the one after that

 

intel usually does small upgrades and i won't be upgrading that soon either as ivy bridge is just 3 months away

 

so in 12-13 months time when they take out the one after that,will that be good?


Haswell is planned to have a 6 core CPU but will also introduce an all new socket. Anything that far out is subject to change but it will likely outstrip anything out today, but don't you need/ want the new system some time soon? Maybe I am not understanding your situation here...

i need a system now,i am just thinking about exterme processors cost to performance ratio and if it doesn't ahve that muach extra performance then i can upgrade later if 2600k give me smooth performance now

 

i am talking about upgrading which i won't in 2-3 months to ivy bridge

 

i can upgrade to haswell in 12-13 months



zarx on 01 January 2012
snakenobi said:
zarx said:
snakenobi said:


not in ivy bridge

the one after that

 

intel usually does small upgrades and i won't be upgrading that soon either as ivy bridge is just 3 months away

 

so in 12-13 months time when they take out the one after that,will that be good?


Haswell is planned to have a 6 core CPU but will also introduce an all new socket. Anything that far out is subject to change but it will likely outstrip anything out today, but don't you need/ want the new system some time soon? Maybe I am not understanding your situation here...

i need a system now,i am just thinking about exterme processors cost to performance ratio and if it doesn't ahve that muach extra performance then i can upgrade later if 2600k give me smooth performance now

 

i am talking about upgrading which i won't in 2-3 months to ivy bridge

 

i can upgrade to haswell in 12-13 months

Well that could work, just keep in mind you will need a new motherboard as well when you upgrade. 



@TheVoxelman on twitter

Check out my hype threads: Cyberpunk, and The Witcher 3!

snakenobi on 01 January 2012
zarx said:
snakenobi said:
zarx said:
snakenobi said:


not in ivy bridge

the one after that

 

intel usually does small upgrades and i won't be upgrading that soon either as ivy bridge is just 3 months away

 

so in 12-13 months time when they take out the one after that,will that be good?


Haswell is planned to have a 6 core CPU but will also introduce an all new socket. Anything that far out is subject to change but it will likely outstrip anything out today, but don't you need/ want the new system some time soon? Maybe I am not understanding your situation here...

i need a system now,i am just thinking about exterme processors cost to performance ratio and if it doesn't ahve that muach extra performance then i can upgrade later if 2600k give me smooth performance now

 

i am talking about upgrading which i won't in 2-3 months to ivy bridge

 

i can upgrade to haswell in 12-13 months

Well that could work, just keep in mind you will need a new motherboard as well when you upgrade. 


yeah i know

 

and i forgot to ask you about GPU recommendations