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Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

Nope. Romney is their messiah, as he is the most center-left politician on the Republican ticket.

Comparatively, Ron Paul is for limited government which the media is not a great fan of. The media has never given ample time to small-government politicians, including Ron Paul. Additiionally, RP is a major threat to the right-left dichotomy which the media loves to play off of. Liberals and conservatives like him, thus making him a threat to the status quo. He's the only guy that I see being discussed by people of all parties.

If RP wins Iowa, I think there will be a more favorable reaction in the rest of the states. I think if he has a viable shot, your going to see a lot of people switch from D to R to vote for RP, and others will come out of the woodwork. Most people I know want RP to win, but are leery about his chances. A win in Iowa would remove those fears, hopefully giving him a better chance in other states.



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mrstickball said:
Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

Nope. Romney is their messiah, as he is the most center-left politician on the Republican ticket.

Comparatively, Ron Paul is for limited government which the media is not a great fan of. The media has never given ample time to small-government politicians, including Ron Paul. Additiionally, RP is a major threat to the right-left dichotomy which the media loves to play off of. Liberals and conservatives like him, thus making him a threat to the status quo. He's the only guy that I see being discussed by people of all parties.

If RP wins Iowa, I think there will be a more favorable reaction in the rest of the states. I think if he has a viable shot, your going to see a lot of people switch from D to R to vote for RP, and others will come out of the woodwork. Most people I know want RP to win, but are leery about his chances. A win in Iowa would remove those fears, hopefully giving him a better chance in other states.

I know CNN likes Romney cause he is most liberal of the Rebpulicans, so I would think they would want Ron Paul to win cause he has no chance against Obama.  Or maybe he does, and the media is afraid?



Coca-Cola said:
mrstickball said:
Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

Nope. Romney is their messiah, as he is the most center-left politician on the Republican ticket.

Comparatively, Ron Paul is for limited government which the media is not a great fan of. The media has never given ample time to small-government politicians, including Ron Paul. Additiionally, RP is a major threat to the right-left dichotomy which the media loves to play off of. Liberals and conservatives like him, thus making him a threat to the status quo. He's the only guy that I see being discussed by people of all parties.

If RP wins Iowa, I think there will be a more favorable reaction in the rest of the states. I think if he has a viable shot, your going to see a lot of people switch from D to R to vote for RP, and others will come out of the woodwork. Most people I know want RP to win, but are leery about his chances. A win in Iowa would remove those fears, hopefully giving him a better chance in other states.

I know CNN likes Romney cause he is most liberal of the Rebpulicans, so I would think they would want Ron Paul to win cause he has no chance against Obama.  Or maybe he does, and the media is afraid?

Paul has a much better chance against Obama. Paul would get a decent bit of the conservative vote and the liberal, anti-war and/or pro-pot groups. Comparatively, Romney has a small slice of independents and republicans. Romney will get torn down like no tomorrow if he's the GOP nominee - Romneycare, governor of Massachusettes, mormon, ect. The media knows this and can run a lot of negative news on him. If by some reason he won, then the political landscape would change very little.

I think Paul is so far left of field, if he really got prime-time coverage, they wouldn't know what to do with him, and are afraid of that. He'd give air to a different line of thinking well outside that of what traditional Republicans and Democrats have said for the past ~20 years during the election cycle.



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scat398 said:

I thought the CNN gloria berger interview was rather telling of how poorly the media treats Ron Paul. Not only did he answer the question regarding racists pamphlets sent out in his name two times, "I didn't read them, and I disavow them." but she continued to press the interview by not asking questions and just making random statements like "you earned 1 million dollars from the literature" and "these remarks are pretty inflamatory". I'm sorry Gloria was there a question in there? you are CNN's lead politics reporter try and atleast act like you weren't there for a hit job. Good for Ron to walk away, I would have punched her in the face.


I think the problem for you is that you need to stop watching cable "news".  Everything that CNN, Fox News, MSNBC "reports" can be summed up in one page on Google News.  In fact I bet Google News covers more stories in one day than it takes the cable news companies a entire week.  What I further can't understand is how people can watch CNN or Fox News all day long considering they repeat the stories about 100 times throughout the day. 



sethnintendo said:
scat398 said:

I thought the CNN gloria berger interview was rather telling of how poorly the media treats Ron Paul. Not only did he answer the question regarding racists pamphlets sent out in his name two times, "I didn't read them, and I disavow them." but she continued to press the interview by not asking questions and just making random statements like "you earned 1 million dollars from the literature" and "these remarks are pretty inflamatory". I'm sorry Gloria was there a question in there? you are CNN's lead politics reporter try and atleast act like you weren't there for a hit job. Good for Ron to walk away, I would have punched her in the face.


I think the problem for you is that you need to stop watching cable "news".  Everything that CNN, Fox News, MSNBC "reports" can be summed up in one page on Google News.  In fact I bet Google News covers more stories in one day than it takes the cable news companies a entire week.  What I further can't understand is how people can watch CNN or Fox News all day long considering they repeat the stories about 100 times throughout the day. 

Thats why I've found RealClearPolitics.com to be the best way to get political information. They cite and source all political editorials and news in one feed. That way, I can aggregate the ideas and arguments around America, and come to a good moderate conclusion, based on all of the available information, rather than a biased look by a specific media outlet.



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scat398 said:
Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

It will all depend on how independents respond to him (people that voted for Obama and now realize he isn't really that different than the other candidates).  If those people decide Paul is their guy now media won't be able to drive his numbers down (they just won't grow).  My biggest concern is how quickly the Neo-Cons are rallying to Romney, they maybe able to destroy any chance RP has of having a good New Hampshire showing (I think it's fair to Say Paul is going to win big in Iowa).  Pesonally I would enjoy a Romney vs Paul race for republicans because it will really show the differnce between a status quo Neo-Con and those of us in the Republican party who want our party to focus more on states rights and independent responsibility.

I want Ron Paul to get traction, because I want to see what Fox News talking head types, and the Newscorp talking head commentators (like Rush) do, if Ron Paul ends up as the Republican nominee.  Will then end up telling everyone to vote for Obama to back their neocon foreign policy views?  Hey, I got it, Fox News gets behind Trump, who decides to do a third party run for president.

Well, that and also I happened to work on Ron Paul grass roots stuff in 2008 locally where I was, paying for a Meetup group, getting a venue, and so on...  I did actually get to be in the same room as Ron Paul back in 2008 down in NYC at a fundraiser.



mrstickball said:
Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

Nope. Romney is their messiah, as he is the most center-left politician on the Republican ticket.

Comparatively, Ron Paul is for limited government which the media is not a great fan of. The media has never given ample time to small-government politicians, including Ron Paul. Additiionally, RP is a major threat to the right-left dichotomy which the media loves to play off of. Liberals and conservatives like him, thus making him a threat to the status quo. He's the only guy that I see being discussed by people of all parties.

If RP wins Iowa, I think there will be a more favorable reaction in the rest of the states. I think if he has a viable shot, your going to see a lot of people switch from D to R to vote for RP, and others will come out of the woodwork. Most people I know want RP to win, but are leery about his chances. A win in Iowa would remove those fears, hopefully giving him a better chance in other states.


Plus I mean, War and Terrorism are HUGE time fillers.  What would a 24 hour news station cover in the dead spots of news if we weren't invading other countries and pissing them off by violating their soveignity by bombing people inside their borders?



scat398, I couldn't have put it better myself. Countries such as Iran dislike us so much because of our imposing on their way of living. That's the same reason we had come to hating England/Britain; and once they let us be, we became friends with them.



richardhutnik said:
scat398 said:
Coca-Cola said:
MrBubbles said:
the media stops completely ignoring ron paul...his numbers shoot up. who would have suspected?!


The media is now paying attention and his numbers will go down.

CNN is pushing the guy off their show - well, he walked out.    not good.   I thought CNN would like this guy more than other Republican candidates.

It will all depend on how independents respond to him (people that voted for Obama and now realize he isn't really that different than the other candidates).  If those people decide Paul is their guy now media won't be able to drive his numbers down (they just won't grow).  My biggest concern is how quickly the Neo-Cons are rallying to Romney, they maybe able to destroy any chance RP has of having a good New Hampshire showing (I think it's fair to Say Paul is going to win big in Iowa).  Pesonally I would enjoy a Romney vs Paul race for republicans because it will really show the differnce between a status quo Neo-Con and those of us in the Republican party who want our party to focus more on states rights and independent responsibility.

I want Ron Paul to get traction, because I want to see what Fox News talking head types, and the Newscorp talking head commentators (like Rush) do, if Ron Paul ends up as the Republican nominee.  Will then end up telling everyone to vote for Obama to back their neocon foreign policy views?  Hey, I got it, Fox News gets behind Trump, who decides to do a third party run for president.

Well, that and also I happened to work on Ron Paul grass roots stuff in 2008 locally where I was, paying for a Meetup group, getting a venue, and so on...  I did actually get to be in the same room as Ron Paul back in 2008 down in NYC at a fundraiser.

My money would be on "Negative stories about Ron Paul" and little mention of Obama.

The POTUS greatly effects the parties establishment if he wants.  So a Ron Paul win could be a MAJOR blow to regular republicnism.

Though after he won, I imgaine Newscorp would just quietly start dropping neoconservative broadcasters.

I mean, Rupert Murdoch actually doesn't care much about politics so much as the money it can make him.  One needs to only look at Australia and the UK where his media outlets often were conservative based, then went to the leftwing party. (Then back again when the tide turned.)

Or heck, even in the US.  Barak "Hussein" Obama got more money from Newscorp in his initial campaign then any other poltician had.

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/172321-report-obama-top-recipient-of-news-corp-donations



Wow, the entire media network system has exploded with Ron Paul hate. MSNBC, FOX NEWS, and CNN are all running 24/7 anti-paul stories, they are literally freaking out over the idea of Paul winning a single state in the primaries. I have never seen anything like this. You have Rachel Maddow, and Sean Hannity fighting side by side to say Ron Paul can't win this.

What does this say about our current system and the lack of choices we actually have when it comes to our democracy?

Rachel Maddow says republicans are crazy because they want to go to war with Iran, but they are not as crazy as Ron paul because he doesn't want to go war with Iran? Sean Hannity complains of democrats who want nothing but to spend more money and grow government and Ron Paul is crazy because he wants to reduce spending and shrink government?

How do they do these shows with a straight face? I'm actually waiting for one of them to just actually flip out on air and give death threats to anyone that votes for Ron Paul.