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fordy on 14 December 2011
o_O.Q said:

"PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing"

she doesn't and i didn't say she did either... the general consensus is that eventually the ps3 may be hacked again, however, i don't see how anything else was expected

 

"There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again."

true, but using that logic i could just as easily dismiss the leaking of the keys as propaganda against sony just like the nonsense i've seen about other os being advertised as a major feature...

you seem to believe that propaganda only works in one direction... it doesn't... if we are to accept news of the keys leaking via reports over the internet why can't we accept news of a possible fix being implemented?

"What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this?"

so are you trying to tell me that sony has payed off all of the hackers that they were at war with them to act as if the ps3 had been fixed?... lol come on now... if thats not the case why have no hackers come forward to dispute the reports?

So are you a key publish denier? So what you're saying is, all this reaction made by Sony was all made up, and they just wasted their money fixing something that wasn't broken? Is that what you're trying to tell me? Please, propaganda may work both ways, but there is such a thing as common sense here. Would Sony waste their time fixing something that didn't exist? No. Would they have a motive to get experts to comment on the safety of their system after a recent breach? Absolutely!

Why haven't hackers come forward? What are you talking about? There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me: Theresa Verity, and that's without me even looking for any! Are you blind to evidence that doesn't support your case?



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o_O.Q on 15 December 2011
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing"

she doesn't and i didn't say she did either... the general consensus is that eventually the ps3 may be hacked again, however, i don't see how anything else was expected

 

"There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again."

true, but using that logic i could just as easily dismiss the leaking of the keys as propaganda against sony just like the nonsense i've seen about other os being advertised as a major feature...

you seem to believe that propaganda only works in one direction... it doesn't... if we are to accept news of the keys leaking via reports over the internet why can't we accept news of a possible fix being implemented?

"What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this?"

so are you trying to tell me that sony has payed off all of the hackers that they were at war with them to act as if the ps3 had been fixed?... lol come on now... if thats not the case why have no hackers come forward to dispute the reports?

So are you a key publish denier? So what you're saying is, all this reaction made by Sony was all made up, and they just wasted their money fixing something that wasn't broken? Is that what you're trying to tell me? Please, propaganda may work both ways, but there is such a thing as common sense here. Would Sony waste their time fixing something that didn't exist? No. Would they have a motive to get experts to comment on the safety of their system after a recent breach? Absolutely!

Why haven't hackers come forward? What are you talking about? There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me: Theresa Verity, and that's without me even looking for any! Are you blind to evidence that doesn't support your case?

"So what you're saying is"

i'm not all i'm saying is that its absurd to say that one set of information from a source is valid but then deny other information because it doesn't line up with how you think things should be...

"There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me:Theresa Verity"

what did she say specifically that contradicts my point?



fordy on 15 December 2011
o_O.Q said:
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing"

she doesn't and i didn't say she did either... the general consensus is that eventually the ps3 may be hacked again, however, i don't see how anything else was expected

 

"There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again."

true, but using that logic i could just as easily dismiss the leaking of the keys as propaganda against sony just like the nonsense i've seen about other os being advertised as a major feature...

you seem to believe that propaganda only works in one direction... it doesn't... if we are to accept news of the keys leaking via reports over the internet why can't we accept news of a possible fix being implemented?

"What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this?"

so are you trying to tell me that sony has payed off all of the hackers that they were at war with them to act as if the ps3 had been fixed?... lol come on now... if thats not the case why have no hackers come forward to dispute the reports?

So are you a key publish denier? So what you're saying is, all this reaction made by Sony was all made up, and they just wasted their money fixing something that wasn't broken? Is that what you're trying to tell me? Please, propaganda may work both ways, but there is such a thing as common sense here. Would Sony waste their time fixing something that didn't exist? No. Would they have a motive to get experts to comment on the safety of their system after a recent breach? Absolutely!

Why haven't hackers come forward? What are you talking about? There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me: Theresa Verity, and that's without me even looking for any! Are you blind to evidence that doesn't support your case?

"So what you're saying is"

i'm not all i'm saying is that its absurd to say that one set of information from a source is valid but then deny other information because it doesn't line up with how you think things should be...

"There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me:Theresa Verity"

what did she say specifically that contradicts my point?

No, that's based on logically sound information. Read the reasoning above. Sony would not panic about fixing something that does not exist. Therefore, it is not a logically sound argument.

"For the fix to really stand it has to invalidate all previous keys and that would make all previous content unplayable," she says. In other words, it's not a fix. Would you call putting a brick in front of a runaway car a fix to the problem?



slowmo on 15 December 2011
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
TadpoleJackson said:
Since you don't believe a credible source from a site, I doubt you'll believe me. But I didn't update between 3.15 to LBP2. And I was forced too when I put it into the PS3. I don't have broadband either

 

Credible source from a site?!? The source's site is "xdarkmagician". LOL

 

PS3 owners clinging onto consoles running firmware earlier than 3.21 will do well to note that Rockstar’s Red Dead Redemption not only requires that particular system software to run, but handily includes it on the disk for easy installation, too.

Chances are there have been other games out since April 1st that required the OtherOS removing firmware update, but Redemption is likely to be one of the higher profile titles to do, and as far as we know this isn’t stated on the box at all so consider this a notice if you’re still to pick up the game.

This means that if you want to play Red Dead Redemption and hold on to your OtherOS installation you’ll need to grab yourself another PlayStation 3.

The PlayStation Blog did warn PS3 users that this might happen in their post at the end of March – “Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later” and it really was only a matter of time before the update became compulsory.

Thanks, xdarkmagician.

Not that it matters but I'll happily borrow a friends recent PS3 game and test in mine that it does indeed not work.

I would actually trust you on the matter. And like I said, if true, the plaintiffs should either appeal or build their case correctly. The judge thought this was about removing PSN not removing the ability to play new games.

 

"The dismay and frustration at least some PS3 owners likely experienced when Sony made the decision to limit access to the PSN service to those who were willing to disable the Other OS feature on their machines was no doubt genuine and understandable," Seeborg said in his ruling.

"As a matter of providing customer satisfaction and building loyalty, it may have been questionable."

But "as a legal matter... plaintiffs have failed to allege facts or articulate a theory on which Sony may be held liable," he concluded.

 

P.S.: if you do test it, im interested in your result. Just take a regular game, not a move game and dont try the online component of the game.

Will see what I can do, in my opinion as long as the game starts it answers at least one unanswered piece of the dismissal.



Baalzamon on 15 December 2011

Ok, I have a question. Maybe Sony did advertise Linux as a feature (it really depends on what you classify as advertising. I find it quite humorous that press statements are supposedly advertising, yet companies say things ALL the time in press statements that get changed, etc.), but if you really want to get technical, when did Sony ever reveal that the PS3 can play games, go on PSN, use Linux, etc. all under the same circumstances? If they advertised it can do those things, it can. Just not at the same time, because you will need a different setup.

I was also told that our country was made with the idea of free speech, but every day, more and more things are added to the list of things we simply cannot say. Isn't that false advertising?



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o_O.Q on 15 December 2011
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing"

she doesn't and i didn't say she did either... the general consensus is that eventually the ps3 may be hacked again, however, i don't see how anything else was expected

 

"There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again."

true, but using that logic i could just as easily dismiss the leaking of the keys as propaganda against sony just like the nonsense i've seen about other os being advertised as a major feature...

you seem to believe that propaganda only works in one direction... it doesn't... if we are to accept news of the keys leaking via reports over the internet why can't we accept news of a possible fix being implemented?

"What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this?"

so are you trying to tell me that sony has payed off all of the hackers that they were at war with them to act as if the ps3 had been fixed?... lol come on now... if thats not the case why have no hackers come forward to dispute the reports?

So are you a key publish denier? So what you're saying is, all this reaction made by Sony was all made up, and they just wasted their money fixing something that wasn't broken? Is that what you're trying to tell me? Please, propaganda may work both ways, but there is such a thing as common sense here. Would Sony waste their time fixing something that didn't exist? No. Would they have a motive to get experts to comment on the safety of their system after a recent breach? Absolutely!

Why haven't hackers come forward? What are you talking about? There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me: Theresa Verity, and that's without me even looking for any! Are you blind to evidence that doesn't support your case?

"So what you're saying is"

i'm not all i'm saying is that its absurd to say that one set of information from a source is valid but then deny other information because it doesn't line up with how you think things should be...

"There is one hacker stepping forward in the article that you showed me:Theresa Verity"

what did she say specifically that contradicts my point?

No, that's based on logically sound information. Read the reasoning above. Sony would not panic about fixing something that does not exist. Therefore, it is not a logically sound argument.

"For the fix to really stand it has to invalidate all previous keys and that would make all previous content unplayable," she says. In other words, it's not a fix. Would you call putting a brick in front of a runaway car a fix to the problem?

it would seem to me that "logically sound" for you means anything you happen to agree with but whatever... anyway

""For the fix to really stand it has to invalidate all previous keys and that would make all previous content unplayable," she says"

i don't really get your point... "For the fix to really stand" this part implies that at the time of the interview she herself believed the fix was effective... otherwise she wouldn't have said that

...and beyond that i haven't heard of people having issues playing back previous content and i also haven't heard of the exploit via the keys working on updated models ( since the fix )

...so either she was wrong on that part or as you seem to believe sony payed off everyone on the internet that hates them to stay quiet ( obviously if this is the case their internet patrol squads missed you )

so we return back to square 1, up till now you really haven't supported your argument with anything other than how you feel the situation should be... 



fordy on 16 December 2011
o_O.Q said:

it would seem to me that "logically sound" for you means anything you happen to agree with but whatever... anyway

""For the fix to really stand it has to invalidate all previous keys and that would make all previous content unplayable," she says"

i don't really get your point... "For the fix to really stand" this part implies that at the time of the interview she herself believed the fix was effective... otherwise she wouldn't have said that

...and beyond that i haven't heard of people having issues playing back previous content and i also haven't heard of the exploit via the keys working on updated models ( since the fix )

...so either she was wrong on that part or as you seem to believe sony payed off everyone on the internet that hates them to stay quiet ( obviously if this is the case their internet patrol squads missed you )

so we return back to square 1, up till now you really haven't supported your argument with anything other than how you feel the situation should be... 

 

The problem is your definition of "fix". If it's a temporary solution to cover a deeper problem, I don't call that a fix. I call that a sticky tape solution. In that regard, she agrees with me.

So if you haven't heard of it, that must mean it's absolutely factual. I'd say give it some time, if they haven't already found something and kept it hidden, after they saw what happened to Geohotz.

Once again, they missed her. I haven't even bothered to look for others, since many others haven't bothered to give their 2 cents on the matter. But given my current knowledge on digital encryption methods and software engineering, I'm pretty confident in my own logic.

Up until now you have disregarded any shred of evidence or logic that I have put forward. You think sony is some kind of god, who never asked for this in the first place, and can never do anything wrong. Oh and on top of that, they can rewrite decades of digital encryption methods in their first attempt, since jusdging by April, they're SO good at digital security...Take off the rose tinted glasses and perhaps use some common sense on the matter...



Hynad on 16 December 2011

This stupid argument is still going on?

Where are you trying to go with all this anyway?



fordy on 16 December 2011
Baalzamon said:
Ok, I have a question. Maybe Sony did advertise Linux as a feature (it really depends on what you classify as advertising. I find it quite humorous that press statements are supposedly advertising, yet companies say things ALL the time in press statements that get changed, etc.), but if you really want to get technical, when did Sony ever reveal that the PS3 can play games, go on PSN, use Linux, etc. all under the same circumstances? If they advertised it can do those things, it can. Just not at the same time, because you will need a different setup.

I was also told that our country was made with the idea of free speech, but every day, more and more things are added to the list of things we simply cannot say. Isn't that false advertising?

In which case, there should have been a clause that says OtherOS removes PSN and some game playback capability. Features are, by default, meant to be all usable, not 'chop n change'.



Hynad on 16 December 2011

Should be this, should be that, shouldn't this...


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