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o_O.Q said:

"Oh it was all written on the internet, so it must be true, right?"

isn't the internet how you learned of the keys, sony's security issues etc in the first place? if that is the case... whats your point?

the part where you mentioned the software updates is correct... there are ps3s out there that people leave unupdated so that they can use the exploit, so yes those are unprotected but beyond that the exploit has been fixed

as for the rest of your post as i said before i don't fully understand the ps3s architecture so i'm not going to get into a debate on that...

but as i said before unless you're an expert on the ps3s architecture i don't really see how you can expect me to take you seriously... what makes you more reliable than the hackers and experts who have said the issue was fixed?

Key leaking was informative news. From what I've seen on those posts is classed as "opinion".

I'm an expert on computer architecture in general and, believe it or not, ALL programmable logic machines today follow the same bus architecture. No need inventing the wheel here, after all.

Sony fanboys might LIKE to think that the PS3 is a big revolution in cryptography and computer architecture, but the sad fact is, the main structure follows the same structure that's been used for the last 30 years. Sony aren't about to spend BILLIONS developing a computer architecture out of nothing when there is tried and true methods that already exist, especially when needing a common bus interface for logic chips that drive standard hardware, for example, USB.

Want my advice? Do some research on the foundations of digital cryptography and why the compromise of a master key in an environment where exclusive control of the hardware cannot be obtained is basically an endgame, especially if you need to take backward compatibility into account. Don't go taking things word for word. Do the research and make your own mind up. It's the only way that you'll know the true answer. Why? What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this? There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again.

 

EDIT: PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing. Also your second post appears to be fabicated opinion by someone named xeduran. All I need to do is take a look at his pointless "talk to the hand" retorts in the opinions below when the news is questioned. the rest appears to be snowballed from a source of misinformation. Articles laughable.



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Icyedge said:
TadpoleJackson said:
 

The sixthaxis is a pretty reputable site. If what "xdarkmagician" had said was false I'm sure they would have updated the article. And, again. It made me update for LBP2 

No, however you see it, this is not a concrete proof of anything. And I surely wouldnt trust you on this matter. But why are we arguing here? Im just waiting for concrete evidence before making a point of view, im all for it if you can give it to me. Im actually of the opinion that if they did remove the ability to play new game, the plaintiffs should appeal the case and Sony should pay some kind of damage to those affected. But like I said, it seems that either the judge missed the point, the plaintiff didnt build the case correctly, or you dont have to remove "other OS" in order to play the offline component of a non move game. Im open to real proof, just not different claims by different websites or persons. That being said, If a reputable poster known by me do try it, why not. Until then, the judge is more reputable.

Don't be distracted by my post count... I'm dsister... over 11K posts on this site. You used to be on my friendlist iirc 



TadpoleJackson said:
Icyedge said:
TadpoleJackson said:
 

The sixthaxis is a pretty reputable site. If what "xdarkmagician" had said was false I'm sure they would have updated the article. And, again. It made me update for LBP2 

No, however you see it, this is not a concrete proof of anything. And I surely wouldnt trust you on this matter. But why are we arguing here? Im just waiting for concrete evidence before making a point of view, im all for it if you can give it to me. Im actually of the opinion that if they did remove the ability to play new game, the plaintiffs should appeal the case and Sony should pay some kind of damage to those affected. But like I said, it seems that either the judge missed the point, the plaintiff didnt build the case correctly, or you dont have to remove "other OS" in order to play the offline component of a non move game. Im open to real proof, just not different claims by different websites or persons. That being said, If a reputable poster known by me do try it, why not. Until then, the judge is more reputable.

Don't be distracted by my post count... I'm dsister... over 11K posts on this site. You used to be on my friendlist iirc 


Oh!?! Why did you change your username?



Icyedge said:


Oh!?! Why did you change your username?


I was feeling random. ^__________________^ 

If I ever work up the energy i'll hit up one of the mods on AIM and get my original account unbanned 



TadpoleJackson said:
Icyedge said:


Oh!?! Why did you change your username?


I was feeling random. ^__________________^ 

If I ever work up the energy i'll hit up one of the mods on AIM and get my original account unbanned 


Then I guess I can trust you with your LBP2 firmware experience ;). But why did you purchase the game without internet? Couch multiplayer?



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fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"Oh it was all written on the internet, so it must be true, right?"

isn't the internet how you learned of the keys, sony's security issues etc in the first place? if that is the case... whats your point?

the part where you mentioned the software updates is correct... there are ps3s out there that people leave unupdated so that they can use the exploit, so yes those are unprotected but beyond that the exploit has been fixed

as for the rest of your post as i said before i don't fully understand the ps3s architecture so i'm not going to get into a debate on that...

but as i said before unless you're an expert on the ps3s architecture i don't really see how you can expect me to take you seriously... what makes you more reliable than the hackers and experts who have said the issue was fixed?

Key leaking was informative news. From what I've seen on those posts is classed as "opinion".

I'm an expert on computer architecture in general and, believe it or not, ALL programmable logic machines today follow the same bus architecture. No need inventing the wheel here, after all.

Sony fanboys might LIKE to think that the PS3 is a big revolution in cryptography and computer architecture, but the sad fact is, the main structure follows the same structure that's been used for the last 30 years. Sony aren't about to spend BILLIONS developing a computer architecture out of nothing when there is tried and true methods that already exist, especially when needing a common bus interface for logic chips that drive standard hardware, for example, USB.

Want my advice? Do some research on the foundations of digital cryptography and why the compromise of a master key in an environment where exclusive control of the hardware cannot be obtained is basically an endgame, especially if you need to take backward compatibility into account. Don't go taking things word for word. Do the research and make your own mind up. It's the only way that you'll know the true answer. Why? What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this? There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again.

 

EDIT: PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing. Also your second post appears to be fabicated opinion by someone named xeduran. All I need to do is take a look at his pointless "talk to the hand" retorts in the opinions below when the news is questioned. the rest appears to be snowballed from a source of misinformation. Articles laughable.

 

"PLEASE show me in the articles where Theresa Verity (whom I quoted) said that the fix was secure. She says no such thing"

she doesn't and i didn't say she did either... the general consensus is that eventually the ps3 may be hacked again, however, i don't see how anything else was expected

 

"There is a ton of motive behind why propaganda needs to be spread that the system is secure again."

true, but using that logic i could just as easily dismiss the leaking of the keys as propaganda against sony just like the nonsense i've seen about other os being advertised as a major feature...

you seem to believe that propaganda only works in one direction... it doesn't... if we are to accept news of the keys leaking via reports over the internet why can't we accept news of a possible fix being implemented?

"What's to say that these so-called "experts" who side with Sony aren't being paid to say this?"

so are you trying to tell me that sony has payed off all of the hackers that they were at war with them to act as if the ps3 had been fixed?... lol come on now... if thats not the case why have no hackers come forward to dispute the reports?



Icyedge said:
TadpoleJackson said:
Icyedge said:


Oh!?! Why did you change your username?


I was feeling random. ^__________________^ 

If I ever work up the energy i'll hit up one of the mods on AIM and get my original account unbanned 


Then I guess I can trust you with your LBP2 firmware experience ;). But why did you purchase the game without internet? Couch multiplayer?


Yes. that and LBP is easily my favorite Sony IP. A few friends and I had a blast playing local multiplayer on several different occasions. 



Icyedge said:
Darc Requiem said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:


Hence the removal of PSN, not "other OS". PSN is a separate agreement, they can legally close, refrain or ban anyone at any time. That was the point of the judge.

Exactly! Sony have every right to ban you from THEIR service, so this whole crap about sacrificing personal property freedoms for the protection of cheating is pure bullshit.

Its not about removing "other OS", its about removing PSN to people who want to keep "other OS". Which like you just said, is rightful. Sony can apply any rules they want for people to access their PSN service, in this case, the removal of "other OS". Read the judge's conclusion once again.

Ahh, but let me ask you this. Do some off-the-shelf games require updates to the firmware AFTER the OtherOS removal branch? If so, you've also effectively disabled the PS3 as a game console, not just PSN..

Like I said on page 3, either the judge missed that point, or nobody have concrete proof of that. Ill give benefit of doubt to the judge :). That being said, if it can be proved that new games have on disc mandatory installation that requires you to remove "other OS" the petitioners should go into appeal. In any case, the issue is being extremely exagerated ;).

Starting with Red Dead Redemption games required a updated firmware that did not feature Other OS option. This firmware is included on the game disc.  So in order to have that feature you'd be restricted to PS3 games that released before RDR.


Its not the first time I hear this, but where is the proof?  Personally, what I read on that matter, was from a website posting an unnoficial reply they supposedly got from Sony customer service. If its been proved, either the plaintiffs didnt build their case correctly or the judge completely missed the point.

"The dismay and frustration at least some PS3 owners likely experienced when Sony made the decision to limit access to the PSN service to those who were willing to disable the Other OS feature on their machines was no doubt genuine and understandable," Seeborg said in his ruling.

If they had proof of the unability to play new games, they should obviously appeal the case.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/05/22/redemption-kills-otheros-dead/



TadpoleJackson said:
Icyedge said:
TadpoleJackson said:
Icyedge said:


Oh!?! Why did you change your username?


I was feeling random. ^__________________^ 

If I ever work up the energy i'll hit up one of the mods on AIM and get my original account unbanned 


Then I guess I can trust you with your LBP2 firmware experience ;). But why did you purchase the game without internet? Couch multiplayer?


Yes. that and LBP is easily my favorite Sony IP. A few friends and I had a blast playing local multiplayer on several different occasions. 


Yeah its a fun game for couch multiplayer. Its better to have access to more stages though ;).

Back to topic, the plaintiffs really didnt bring the right argument then. As the judge said, Sony could legally remove PSN access to people who wanted to keep "other OS". But when it comes to removing the ability to play new PS3 games its a totally different matter. I would be curious to read the appeal. Im surprise they didnt thought of bringing that up instead of PSN.



Darc Requiem said:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/05/22/redemption-kills-otheros-dead/


Thats still the source from "xdarkmagician". No value. But we have a regular poster that had to remove "other OS" to play LBP2 offline.