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Persistantthug on 13 December 2011
Munkeh111 said:
Persistantthug said:
Baalzamon said:
Good, because the argument was moot. If they still wanted to use Linux, they simply shouldn't update past the update where it was removed, simple as that.


You say it as though people had a legitimate choice.  They didn't.

That's an ultimatum.

 

Sony got away with telling people, DO THIS OR ELSE.

On principle, Sony should have lost this.

No, Sony said that you can continue to use Linux, but if you do, you can't use the PlayStation Network

It is very simple, and this is why Sony make consumers agree to things, so that they can keep control of the system

 

Listen, because you might not be following,

the ULTIMATUM was,

we'll take your OTHER OS away,

or

We'll take the PSN away along with various other PS3 and basic functionality.

 

 

That's exactly what Sony put forth.



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o_O.Q on 14 December 2011
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:


"doesn't that mean OtherOS or not, they're still hackable, and just re-introduce it?"

i'd agree with that if the ps3 wasn't secure at this point in time but to my knowledge it is


How? You just mentioned before that the PS3 is hackable without OtherOS, and you're right. The master keys are out there, which Sony has admitted that, in order to fix it, it would require new hardware (by that they mean a new generation).


no sony fixed the second exploit ( via the keys ) i'm not sure how but they did 

"Sony has admitted that, in order to fix it, it would require new hardware"

no sony never said so, there was speculation from various media outlets about that but sony never said so... then again they eventually fixed it so i guess thats why



Hornet303 on 14 December 2011

I really don't get a lot of the backlash against Sony on this. For a site that is based primarily on sales statistics including software, Im a bit surprised how many people are surprised about Sony's actions. There is a lot of history to take in, but up until the last 2-3 years of PS3, Sony has been taking it in the teeth for years. Is this their fault due to bad marketing, arrogance, I would wager exactly Yes.

Now you have something that totally circumvents all the security you placed on your system. Years of convincing giant corps like Activision, Disney, EA that their content is safe on your machine, you now have a ton of explaining to do. Despite how severe the situation is, you have to take action very directly and effectively. If this means going at hackers and such, just to safe face to all the people that feed you on a daily basis, you have to do it. Do they do it at a cost of public face and understanding, of course. If you make the unpopular decision to wipe out Other OS, im sure they do a statistical analysis and realize that 2-3% of their customers utilize this and have to make the unpopular decision to kill it. They consult legal teams before any decision like this. This lawsuit was a non-issue from the beginning.

The thing is this, if any company losses control of their IP or their livelihood is at risk, they will make decision help preserve their company. It dosnt matter if Sony makes 100billion yen, or if its some small company that sells 2-3 million pieces of hardware. If their hardware takes a hit like this, they may not recover from this. Sony just so happens to have a lot of cash, but do gamers really win if they can no longer fund devs?

The really lame thing is that Ive followed this since the beginning and everyone bleeds the fact that this inst a piracy thing, its all about the homebrew. Go look at any PSX related hacking site. Homebrew apps are produced all the time, but nobody responds to these. The day a patch is created to allow Portal 2 to work with backup managers are the big sellers of the day. The same 2-3 percent of the folks that used Linux with OtherOS, are the same 2-3 percent that use their CFW PS3 to use Showtime or play NeoTanks. The other 97-98 percent want free shit.



Rpruett on 14 December 2011
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"See how it works?"

nah all i see is that we see things differently, just like how you believe that even though theres nothing on the console, the box it comes in ( which has all of the supported media and formats - bluray, compact disc, wifi, dolby, etc), in ps3 tv ads or other promos about other os thats its still being advertised as a major ps3 feature but i see otherwise

It was being advertised as a feature. View my links.

Regardless, the matter still comes down to whether Sony has the right to remove features from a system that has been bought and paid for....

They didn't remove any features. They gave you a choice.  Keep OtherOS and don't access the PSN while you have it.  Or leave OtherOS and keep the PSN.  The PSN isn't promised, it isn't guaranteed. It's merely a perk.   40 years from now Sony, doesn't have to still allow access for your PS3 to PSN.   Period.  You're wrong.

The courts have spoken.   Get over it.   Christ the PS3 is a miserable (PC) anyways.   Only retards ran Linux on it.



fordy on 14 December 2011
o_O.Q said:


no sony fixed the second exploit ( via the keys ) i'm not sure how but they did 

"Sony has admitted that, in order to fix it, it would require new hardware"

no sony never said so, there was speculation from various media outlets about that but sony never said so... then again they eventually fixed it so i guess thats why


Dude, the exploit is still there. The entire PS3 system runs off the master publishing key. There are two things that can happen in this situation:

 

1. Re-issue all software that was signed using the master key. This includes commercial off the shelf

2. Issue new hardware (if it's PS3 backward compatible, security would have to be quarantined in it's own Virtual Machine, since it's already been compromised.)

 

Since I haven't seen any mass recall statements from Sony in the paper, nor have I seen any word of a PS4 being released, it's pretty safe to say it's still there. The reason why you don't hear it so much? Besides Sony issuing the gag order on Geohotz and taking down any public publishings of the key, if I were Sony I'd keep a low profile about it, too....



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fordy on 14 December 2011
Rpruett said:
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"See how it works?"

nah all i see is that we see things differently, just like how you believe that even though theres nothing on the console, the box it comes in ( which has all of the supported media and formats - bluray, compact disc, wifi, dolby, etc), in ps3 tv ads or other promos about other os thats its still being advertised as a major ps3 feature but i see otherwise

It was being advertised as a feature. View my links.

Regardless, the matter still comes down to whether Sony has the right to remove features from a system that has been bought and paid for....

They didn't remove any features. They gave you a choice.  Keep OtherOS and don't access the PSN while you have it.  Or leave OtherOS and keep the PSN.  The PSN isn't promised, it isn't guaranteed. It's merely a perk.   40 years from now Sony, doesn't have to still allow access for your PS3 to PSN.   Period.  You're wrong.

The courts have spoken.   Get over it.   Christ the PS3 is a miserable (PC) anyways.   Only retards ran Linux on it.

PSN PLUS other things, such as introduced features from firmware updates, including the possibility of being able to run off the shelf games.

I know you're late to this, but do yourself a favour and read over the points that have already been discussed.

Yes, the courts have spoken, and Sony was found not guilty. That does not imply they are innocent. If you read the article, yoiu'll see that the case was dismissed based on lack of evidence. If new evidence comes up, this could most likely come back again...

I love how these people talk up about how POWERFUL the PS3 is, yet when the subject of Linux comes up for it "oh it's just miserable. No power at all". Contradictory much?



PullusPardus on 14 December 2011
TadpoleJackson said:
Sad sad day when a company gets away with ripping it's fans off and they defend it :(

i agree, why do microsoft fans always talk about how amazing it feels when they're the only people who pay for online gameplay?



thismeintiel on 14 December 2011
TadpoleJackson said:
thismeintiel said:

Lol, ripping us off?  Are you serious?  Sony has given PS3 owners quite a bit of value for their money, probably outdoing other companies this gen.  Free online.  Decent web browser.  Free Wi-fi (something the original 360 didn't ship with).  Included rechargeable batteries in the controller (no need to spend extra money to purchase your own).  Blu-ray.  Concerning the article, Sony was the ONLY one to include an Other OS feature to let people play around with Linux using the PS3, without having to hack the console.  And everyone was happy til Geohot wanted to make a bigger name for himself by hacking the PS3.  He wasn't happy enough working with other hackers/homebrewers building upon PS3 Linux, making it better, faster.  He had to have the whole thing.  Which would have been fine if he had just kept it to himself or maybe just hacked a few of his friends consoles, instead of trying to get even more recognition fromt the masses.

@ OP

Glad this was the ruling.


Hah, I was more than content leaving this topic be. Since people were just reaffirming what I said, including you. That and it's the same old pointless argument that I have heard a couple dozen times "Screw the minority" more or less. But this post was just too funny. "The console that was twice the price of the other consoles at launch had more features, so it's ok if they took some out." Face the facts something that people paid for is gone. It was forcefully taken from them. They were given the choice between playing new games or having their linux. Yes, they were a minority, but they were still paying customers... they were probably the best customers... Geohot had, what, 5 PS3s by the time he finished? Sony ripped people off... the few "geeks" and "nerds" that cared were the ones that had the power to fight back.

And a couple of your facts 
"A decent web browser" hahahaahaha xD. I'll write that one off to a joke 

"Free wifi" Sony did release PS3s without wifi... 

"rechargeable batteries in controllers" Now, correct me if I'm wrong but besides the two controllers that came with my consoles(two different consoles). The three I bought came with rechargeable controllers? Which I promptly threw away... but that's beside the point 

And Sony is still offering those features at $249 now, as well as the dozens of features they have added for free.  And yes, the minority do not matter if they harm the majority of purchaser's experience. 

What I find funny is people who are upset because they ended up being wrong.  Many Sony haters were speaking of this case, saying Sony will have their asses handed to them.  What happened?  Geohot knew he had no case, so he settled with Sony.  And now the class action lawsuit was thrown out.  Sony won.  I guess some people can't handle those facts.



 

adriane23 on 14 December 2011

Good to hear. It was a stupid lawsuit.



I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

Rpruett on 14 December 2011
fordy said:
Rpruett said:
fordy said:
o_O.Q said:

"See how it works?"

nah all i see is that we see things differently, just like how you believe that even though theres nothing on the console, the box it comes in ( which has all of the supported media and formats - bluray, compact disc, wifi, dolby, etc), in ps3 tv ads or other promos about other os thats its still being advertised as a major ps3 feature but i see otherwise

It was being advertised as a feature. View my links.

Regardless, the matter still comes down to whether Sony has the right to remove features from a system that has been bought and paid for....

They didn't remove any features. They gave you a choice.  Keep OtherOS and don't access the PSN while you have it.  Or leave OtherOS and keep the PSN.  The PSN isn't promised, it isn't guaranteed. It's merely a perk.   40 years from now Sony, doesn't have to still allow access for your PS3 to PSN.   Period.  You're wrong.

The courts have spoken.   Get over it.   Christ the PS3 is a miserable (PC) anyways.   Only retards ran Linux on it.

PSN PLUS other things, such as introduced features from firmware updates, including the possibility of being able to run off the shelf games.

I know you're late to this, but do yourself a favour and read over the points that have already been discussed.

Yes, the courts have spoken, and Sony was found not guilty. That does not imply they are innocent. If you read the article, yoiu'll see that the case was dismissed based on lack of evidence. If new evidence comes up, this could most likely come back again...

I love how these people talk up about how POWERFUL the PS3 is, yet when the subject of Linux comes up for it "oh it's just miserable. No power at all". Contradictory much?


You still didn't answer what I just said.  PSN is an accessory that Sony does not have to provide.  It's a service that you agree to abide by their terms and conditions to use.  It's a seperate entity from the PS3 itself.  PSN Plus is just a further example of that.

The courts have spoken,  the case was dismissed because as it currently stands there is NO case. Sony denied you service to the PSN, not to your system.  While that sucks, nothing about that is illegal hence the court result.  No new evidence is going to crop up so as I said,  you're going to have to accept it.

The PS3 is an incredibly power gaming machine (Relative to it's competing consoles),  for standard every day computing?  It's miserable as they all are.  It's built for gaming with the open-endedness to allow Linux usage.  You're still a retard for using Linux on it. The only viable explanation is wanting to 'utilize' the cell processor.  Which I am sure encompassed a few thousand people.