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Dr.Grass said:
Final-Fan said:

Well the thing is, here's the conversation: 
"create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light"
'For that, relativity would have to be wrong'
"erm no, special relativity blah blah blah"

You came in and spouted irrelevancies of which HWS was well aware.  Either you just weren't paying attention to what people were actually saying, which is pretty bad for someone supposedly correcting others' errors, or you disregarded the actual topic to flaunt your knowledge.  Either way, the appearance of arrogance is your fault. 

I get what you did there. And you make sense, except that you missed something...

1.  My point was that special relativity allows one to travel 600 lightyears within a lifetime. I.e. special relativity doesn't have to be wrong.

2.  Way to go to try and show me up with your first post in this thread. Bravo. Maybe you should rather read properly before commenting.

3.  I am allowed to comment on a subsection of what he said you know. Excuse me for just stating relevant facts. Relativity is often misunderstood, and even though I'm no expert, I like discussing/debating it. Not to mention that I was trying to be nice in that response you quoted.

''Either way, the appearance of arrogance is your fault.''

4.  I'm not taking this statement kindly.

1.  That point is irrelevant to what had been posted. 

2.  Oh, irony. 

3.  What subsection would that be exactly?  Let's review the posts: 

First post (JOKA):  "Now all we need to do is create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light and we can get there in a year!"
The first post says that to get there in a year, we NEED to travel 600 times the speed of light. 

Second post (HWS):  "For that all we need is an infinite amount of energy/hope relativity is wrong. It's almost TOO easy.

As for the planet, I'm not getting excited. It's considerably larger than the Earth and there are factors at play that we have no idea about (environment, axial tilt, etc) . To say it habitable is a stretch. This will be Gliese 581d all over again."

HWS states that for "that", i.e. the thing JOKA said needed to happen, traveling 600 times the speed of light, relativity would have to be wrong. 

(Alternatively, depending on how the slash is interpreted, he might have meant that to get there in a year, we need an infinite amount of energy OR relativity would have to be wrong.  The time dilation you talked about would only be possible after spending ridiculous, or near-infinite, amounts of energy on acceleration.) 

Third post (you):  "erm no. Special relativity would make it possible to reach the planet within a lifetime...time dilation means the time will move slower on a fast moving spaceship. Problem is that time on earth would be thousands of years ahead by the time you come back."

Your post starts with "NO", meaning you object to something HWS said -- you find fault with it.  I don't see how you can justify this in either interpretation of his post, and I don't see how you could have interpreted it otherwise. 

4.  You accused HWS of wrongly making you out to be arrogant; I don't think he did.  I don't really care if saying so offends you since you're the one who brought up the subject. 



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Final-Fan said:
Dr.Grass said:
Final-Fan said:

Well the thing is, here's the conversation: 
"create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light"
'For that, relativity would have to be wrong'
"erm no, special relativity blah blah blah"

You came in and spouted irrelevancies of which HWS was well aware.  Either you just weren't paying attention to what people were actually saying, which is pretty bad for someone supposedly correcting others' errors, or you disregarded the actual topic to flaunt your knowledge.  Either way, the appearance of arrogance is your fault. 

I get what you did there. And you make sense, except that you missed something...

1.  My point was that special relativity allows one to travel 600 lightyears within a lifetime. I.e. special relativity doesn't have to be wrong.

2.  Way to go to try and show me up with your first post in this thread. Bravo. Maybe you should rather read properly before commenting.

3.  I am allowed to comment on a subsection of what he said you know. Excuse me for just stating relevant facts. Relativity is often misunderstood, and even though I'm no expert, I like discussing/debating it. Not to mention that I was trying to be nice in that response you quoted.

''Either way, the appearance of arrogance is your fault.''

4.  I'm not taking this statement kindly.

1.  That point is irrelevant to what had been posted. 

2.  Oh, irony. 

3.  What subsection would that be exactly?  Let's review the posts: 

First post (JOKA):  "Now all we need to do is create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light and we can get there in a year!"
The first post says that to get there in a year, we NEED to travel 600 times the speed of light. 

Second post (HWS):  "For that all we need is an infinite amount of energy/hope relativity is wrong. It's almost TOO easy.

As for the planet, I'm not getting excited. It's considerably larger than the Earth and there are factors at play that we have no idea about (environment, axial tilt, etc) . To say it habitable is a stretch. This will be Gliese 581d all over again."

HWS states that for "that", i.e. the thing JOKA said needed to happen, traveling 600 times the speed of light, relativity would have to be wrong. 

(Alternatively, depending on how the slash is interpreted, he might have meant that to get there in a year, we need an infinite amount of energy OR relativity would have to be wrong.  The time dilation you talked about would only be possible after spending ridiculous, or near-infinite, amounts of energy on acceleration.) 

Third post (you):  "erm no. Special relativity would make it possible to reach the planet within a lifetime...time dilation means the time will move slower on a fast moving spaceship. Problem is that time on earth would be thousands of years ahead by the time you come back."

Your post starts with "NO", meaning you object to something HWS said -- you find fault with it.  I don't see how you can justify this in either interpretation of his post, and I don't see how you could have interpreted it otherwise. 

4.  You accused HWS of wrongly making you out to be arrogant; I don't think he did.  I don't really care if saying so offends you since you're the one who brought up the subject. 


No, relativity in fact says we can traverse such vast distances in one lifetime.

 

DONE. SEALED. OKAY GO AWAY.



 


I'm going to ignore you - mkay?

Because you're just being an ass now, and though there was some subtle point in logic that I missed due to being a tad hasty, you have most certainly taken the cake.



Dr.Grass said:
highwaystar101 said:
Dr.Grass said:
highwaystar101 said:
JOKA_ said:

Now all we need to do is create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light and we can get there in a year!

 

For that all we need is an infinite amount of energy/hope relativity is wrong. It's almost too easy.

As for the planet, I'm not getting excited. It's considerably larger than the Earth and there are factors at play that we have no idea about (environment, axial tilt, etc) . To say it habitable is a stretch. This will be Gliese 581d all over again.


erm no. Special relativity would make it possible to reach the planet within a lifetime...time dilation means the time will move slower on a fast moving spaceship. Problem is that time on earth would be thousands of years ahead by the time you come back.

You really do like to be the big expert on physics round here, don't you? :D

I was actually just referring to the idea of going faster than the speed of llight itself. I know time will pass more slowly for you as you approach the speed of light and you could reach it in your own lifetime at 0.99c. 

 

I don't consider myself an expert. I consider most statements I read about physics on here moronic. I see what you mean, but special relativity can't be broken. A wormhole is a better bet. Please don't try and make me look like an arrogant asshole. Sometimes I'm an asshole, but I really don't want to be an arrogant asshole.

I know a little more than most. Mkay.

Woah Woah Woah! Hold on. I think you completely misunderstood what I said there. That statement wasn't meant to be serious. It was only mean to be a tongue in cheek comment about how you pick up on people's mistakes when it comes to physics. See the Smiley at the end? That means I was kidding. I didn't mean it to be offensive.

Also, I know you can't break special relativity, that's why I said you would need it to be wrong as my second point.

 

Final-Fan: Thanks for sticking up for me. I'm sorry that what I said seems to have been misinterpreted.



Dr.Grass said:

I'm going to ignore you - mkay?

Because you're just being an ass now, and though there was some subtle point in logic that I missed due to being a tad hasty, you have most certainly taken the cake.

So you hate being proven wrong, and when anyone does prove you wrong they are therefore an incredibly rude asshole. 

Gotcha. 



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Dr.Grass said:
Narishma said:

The title is incorrect. They haven't found a habitable planet, what they found is a planet in the habitable zone around that star. They don't yet have enough information about the planet to know if it's habitable or not. For example, both Venus and Mars are in the habitable zone of the Sun, but I would hardly call them habitable.


Does your name in any way relate to Nrsimha (lion-man) ?


No, it's a character from the Wheel of Time books.



Nuclear Pulse Propulsion will probably be the first step in interstellar space travel. can travel to the nearest star besides our own in around a human lifetime. looking at 50-60 years with this method.

Look up project Orion.



highwaystar101 said:
JOKA_ said:

Now all we need to do is create a ship that can travel 600x the speed of light and we can get there in a year!

 

For that all we need is an infinite amount of energy/hope relativity is wrong. It's almost too easy.

As for the planet, I'm not getting excited. It's considerably larger than the Earth and there are factors at play that we have no idea about (environment, axial tilt, etc) . To say it habitable is a stretch. This will be Gliese 581d all over again.

That and an energy source that isn't dependent on... time... since the minute you hit light speed, time would stop shutting down your engines.

And well, a timer that would let us stop.  A timer that doesn't rely on time... for the above reason. 

Really it'd probably be a lot easier to open up a gateway through a dimension we can't perceive.



In a universe with an estimated 10 sextillion stars, I don't consider finding one Earth like planet all that special.



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