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selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

my ps3 allowed me to do google searches from selected  games from when i first got it in 2009 furthermore theres the full web broswer from which i can use any search engine i like

and with that dec 9th update comes cloud saving as a major feature, ps3 had that for months now

The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration. And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser. Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on. Which isthe root M$ is taking. I neverusemy phone browser. AndI wouldnt use a 360 browwser. I only use my PC internet for VGC, banking and youtube. I use my phone apps for everything else.

"The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration"

how is that so? is the 360 more efficient at finding search results than google?


"And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser"

um maybe but aren't we comparing the 360 and ps3 "Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have" 


"Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on"

nonsense you can't really mean to tell me you really believe that having a condensed version of something is better than having access to the full thing 

 

the rest of your reply is about using your phone for things unavailable on your 360 and as i said before i don't understand how phones became included you were doing a comparison between the 360 and ps3 which i replied to



selnor said:
psrock said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

Free or not, you did not adress what he was saying. Ms has to launch before Sony for it to compete. Ms biggest advantage will be price and and lauch date, without them, they are screwed.

Completely disagree. M$ owns America. Thats theirs now. EMEAA is very close. M$ are going toe to toe with Sony and Sony have thrown evverythin they ave first party wise at M$ and yet M$ are standing. 

Before you start to talk about what M$ need, how about what Sony need. After all Sony are in last place. They lost US this gen an do NOT have EU to themsleves. 

Just like Sony owned America last gen?  Things change every gen.  Nintendo's dominance this gen with a greatly underpowered console (compared to the other two) illustrates this.  Things can and will change next gen.  If Sony launches around the same time, with a very competitive price (read not $200 more than your closest competitior), then things will get very interesting in America.  The Sony brand will win out in Japan, however, and maybe EMEAA.



o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

my ps3 allowed me to do google searches from selected  games from when i first got it in 2009 furthermore theres the full web broswer from which i can use any search engine i like

and with that dec 9th update comes cloud saving as a major feature, ps3 had that for months now

The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration. And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser. Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on. Which isthe root M$ is taking. I neverusemy phone browser. AndI wouldnt use a 360 browwser. I only use my PC internet for VGC, banking and youtube. I use my phone apps for everything else.

"The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration"

how is that so? is the 360 more efficient at finding search results than google?


"And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser"

um maybe but aren't we comparing the 360 and ps3 "Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have" 


"Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on"

nonsense you can't really mean to tell me you really believe that having a condensed version of something is better than having access to the full thing 

 

the rest of your reply is about using your phone for things unavailable on your 360 and as i said before i don't understand how phones became included you were doing a comparison between the 360 and ps3 which i replied to


Putting Kinect aside, the Bing search function doesnt just search online. It searches offline. You search for Batman it brngs up all th Batman games, soundtracks, films etc etc. Its designed as a app to make dashboard navigation literally unneeded.

As fo my phone analogy. Using PS3 browser is cumbersome. Yes I know it at least has one. But seriously neds updating. Lots oof pages dont load. 

My point was apps designed for consoles are a much better idea. Lie M$ getting a 360 taylored Youtube app, Skype app, Last.FM app, ESPN app,Sky app, Twiter app so on so forth.



selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

my ps3 allowed me to do google searches from selected  games from when i first got it in 2009 furthermore theres the full web broswer from which i can use any search engine i like

and with that dec 9th update comes cloud saving as a major feature, ps3 had that for months now

The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration. And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser. Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on. Which isthe root M$ is taking. I neverusemy phone browser. AndI wouldnt use a 360 browwser. I only use my PC internet for VGC, banking and youtube. I use my phone apps for everything else.

"The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration"

how is that so? is the 360 more efficient at finding search results than google?


"And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser"

um maybe but aren't we comparing the 360 and ps3 "Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have" 


"Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on"

nonsense you can't really mean to tell me you really believe that having a condensed version of something is better than having access to the full thing 

 

the rest of your reply is about using your phone for things unavailable on your 360 and as i said before i don't understand how phones became included you were doing a comparison between the 360 and ps3 which i replied to


Putting Kinect aside, the Bing search function doesnt just search online. It searches offline. You search for Batman it brngs up all th Batman games, soundtracks, films etc etc. Its designed as a app to make dashboard navigation literally unneeded.

As fo my phone analogy. Using PS3 browser is cumbersome. Yes I know it at least has one. But seriously neds updating. Lots oof pages dont load. 

My point was apps designed for consoles are a much better idea. Lie M$ getting a 360 taylored Youtube app, Skype app, Last.FM app, ESPN app,Sky app, Twiter app so on so forth.

"the Bing search function doesnt just"

honestly it doesn't look that special to me but thats me

"Using PS3 browser is cumbersome"

true to some extent but it can be useful in some situations

"My point was apps designed for consoles are a much better idea"

in some cases i'd rather have access to the full thing



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selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

my ps3 allowed me to do google searches from selected  games from when i first got it in 2009 furthermore theres the full web broswer from which i can use any search engine i like

and with that dec 9th update comes cloud saving as a major feature, ps3 had that for months now

The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration. And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser. Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on. Which isthe root M$ is taking. I neverusemy phone browser. AndI wouldnt use a 360 browwser. I only use my PC internet for VGC, banking and youtube. I use my phone apps for everything else.


The PS3 already has Apps. 



selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

 

I'll bet PSN will still be free with the addage of PSN Plus and Sony will find more ways to make Plus more appealing and more personal to the PS3 crowd much like Xbox Live pushed the envelope earlier in the gen. To anyone who is smart they will notice Microsoft has made the 360 utterly useless as a multimedia device without the use of Xbox Live. Silver is useless and you can barely upgrade properly. Theres no bonus in making people pay for a connection they already have (I also feel bad for those with Netflix and dont have Gold). I much like many others know this because Microsoft kicks people off Xbox Live for modding and people are forced to buy new Xboxes if they dont just want to game without online. Microsoft is doing it because they can and Sony has proven that with their offerings on PSN with the addition of their PSN service. Nintendo has yet to prove Microsoft wrong, but Son definitely did it. Sony knows if they launch on time with proper games at a proper price the world outside of America will give them the first look over Microsoft. 3/5 of Microsofts sales are in America, so you know where there sales will be regardless. This case was the same for the original Xbox. Microsoft will also be making the 360 more available to everyone (not just gamers) and soon will make Xbox Live completely indestinguisable to their PC OS.  Sony then can capitalize with the games like they are doing now. You can see where Microsoft is headed next gen with their recent acquisitions. They are too predictable. They are just business suits not a gaming company and every day they prove it even more. The only thing they've perfected is online community and once they set the bar others can definitely follow. It's not impossible. Their hump to follow Sony is harder because it takes more risk to have more first party companies and Microsoft has proven they can barely handle it this gen. Lets see if depending on multiplats selling more on their system next gen will help them. If Sony launches within their window it will force everyone to look at what they are really getting right out of the box.

P.S.

I love all the features Xbox Live will keep having. I'll have that whilst Sony keeps giving the more important feature.....exclusive games. No matter what Microsoft does they cant outshine Sony for multimedia. Sony is multimedia company, not Microsoft. Microsoft is an OS company and everything from watching movies on your consoles from Sony pictures to listening to music is first party. Microsoft pays out of pocket for something Sony already has. All Microsoft will do is keep on buying deals to shy away from the fact that they dont find investing in first party companies to be desirable since they wasted $400,000,000 collars buying Rare and seeing nowhere near the return.

1. I love payin for Live, I can clearly see where that mooney is spent.

2. I sure as hell hope the Xbox goes closer to PC. PC is streamlining up with Windows 8. And with the update on Dec 6th this year Microsoft are bringing App marketplace to 360. The best thing for TV consoles IMO. Dedicated Apps.

3. IMO  M$ already outshine SOny for multimedia. I DONT want Bluray. I know many that dont. Sony CANNOT offer ME what I want. Full list of streamed/downloadable Full HD movies. Every album I want at a cheap price. Gaming at a great cost. Sony cannot offer me Halo or Forza. or Gears or fable. Since I dont really care for Uncharted or killzone and have absolutely NO interest in games like Infamous or Motorstorm or Resistance. Sony to me has yet to produce anything that makes me want a PS3. You can reel off Sony games, but none make me want a PS3. To me they dont compare with the quality on longevity of M exclusives. IMO. Sony are not destroyin M$ in EMEAA, so this so called First Party Advantage is not anywhere near what you Sony fans believe. 

4. M$ made videogames before Sony did. So technically Sony are just a TV manufacturer if you are saying M$ ar jsut an OS manufacturer. MGS exited long before PS1.

MS could shit on your face and you would love every second of it.



This thread is just pure awesome

+1 respect points for Seece



selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
o_O.Q said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

my ps3 allowed me to do google searches from selected  games from when i first got it in 2009 furthermore theres the full web broswer from which i can use any search engine i like

and with that dec 9th update comes cloud saving as a major feature, ps3 had that for months now

The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration. And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser. Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on. Which isthe root M$ is taking. I neverusemy phone browser. AndI wouldnt use a 360 browwser. I only use my PC internet for VGC, banking and youtube. I use my phone apps for everything else.

"The Google search is nothing like 360 search intergration"

how is that so? is the 360 more efficient at finding search results than google?


"And the brrowser thin is the same thing as a phone browser"

um maybe but aren't we comparing the 360 and ps3 "Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have" 


"Apps are btter designed and make use of the hardware its on"

nonsense you can't really mean to tell me you really believe that having a condensed version of something is better than having access to the full thing 

 

the rest of your reply is about using your phone for things unavailable on your 360 and as i said before i don't understand how phones became included you were doing a comparison between the 360 and ps3 which i replied to


Putting Kinect aside, the Bing search function doesnt just search online. It searches offline. You search for Batman it brngs up all th Batman games, soundtracks, films etc etc. Its designed as a app to make dashboard navigation literally unneeded.

 

As fo my phone analogy. Using PS3 browser is cumbersome. Yes I know it at least has one. But seriously neds updating. Lots oof pages dont load. 

My point was apps designed for consoles are a much better idea. Lie M$ getting a 360 taylored Youtube app, Skype app, Last.FM app, ESPN app,Sky app, Twiter app so on so forth.

that almost sounded really awesome, then i noticed it said it uses bing, and i was like  





selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
selnor said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony launches within a good window with good exclusives, proper pricing and cross chat in their online next gen Microsoft is kinda screwed. Especially with the online being free that goes double.

I bet 10000000000% PSN will NOT be free next gen. That would be a horrible business move for Sony. 

PSN is free right now, and Live kills it every year in hours spent playing online. Available downloadable content is also much more active on Live. 

Sony need to make money from PSN to keep up with the R&D of Live.

Dec 6th Live changes again,with so many features that the competition just doesnt have. An integrated search engine for a start.

 

I'll bet PSN will still be free with the addage of PSN Plus and Sony will find more ways to make Plus more appealing and more personal to the PS3 crowd much like Xbox Live pushed the envelope earlier in the gen. To anyone who is smart they will notice Microsoft has made the 360 utterly useless as a multimedia device without the use of Xbox Live. Silver is useless and you can barely upgrade properly. Theres no bonus in making people pay for a connection they already have (I also feel bad for those with Netflix and dont have Gold). I much like many others know this because Microsoft kicks people off Xbox Live for modding and people are forced to buy new Xboxes if they dont just want to game without online. Microsoft is doing it because they can and Sony has proven that with their offerings on PSN with the addition of their PSN service. Nintendo has yet to prove Microsoft wrong, but Son definitely did it. Sony knows if they launch on time with proper games at a proper price the world outside of America will give them the first look over Microsoft. 3/5 of Microsofts sales are in America, so you know where there sales will be regardless. This case was the same for the original Xbox. Microsoft will also be making the 360 more available to everyone (not just gamers) and soon will make Xbox Live completely indestinguisable to their PC OS.  Sony then can capitalize with the games like they are doing now. You can see where Microsoft is headed next gen with their recent acquisitions. They are too predictable. They are just business suits not a gaming company and every day they prove it even more. The only thing they've perfected is online community and once they set the bar others can definitely follow. It's not impossible. Their hump to follow Sony is harder because it takes more risk to have more first party companies and Microsoft has proven they can barely handle it this gen. Lets see if depending on multiplats selling more on their system next gen will help them. If Sony launches within their window it will force everyone to look at what they are really getting right out of the box.

P.S.

I love all the features Xbox Live will keep having. I'll have that whilst Sony keeps giving the more important feature.....exclusive games. No matter what Microsoft does they cant outshine Sony for multimedia. Sony is multimedia company, not Microsoft. Microsoft is an OS company and everything from watching movies on your consoles from Sony pictures to listening to music is first party. Microsoft pays out of pocket for something Sony already has. All Microsoft will do is keep on buying deals to shy away from the fact that they dont find investing in first party companies to be desirable since they wasted $400,000,000 collars buying Rare and seeing nowhere near the return.

1. I love payin for Live, I can clearly see where that mooney is spent.

2. I sure as hell hope the Xbox goes closer to PC. PC is streamlining up with Windows 8. And with the update on Dec 6th this year Microsoft are bringing App marketplace to 360. The best thing for TV consoles IMO. Dedicated Apps.

3. IMO  M$ already outshine SOny for multimedia. I DONT want Bluray. I know many that dont. Sony CANNOT offer ME what I want. Full list of streamed/downloadable Full HD movies. Every album I want at a cheap price. Gaming at a great cost. Sony cannot offer me Halo or Forza. or Gears or fable. Since I dont really care for Uncharted or killzone and have absolutely NO interest in games like Infamous or Motorstorm or Resistance. Sony to me has yet to produce anything that makes me want a PS3. You can reel off Sony games, but none make me want a PS3. To me they dont compare with the quality on longevity of M exclusives. IMO. Sony are not destroyin M$ in EMEAA, so this so called First Party Advantage is not anywhere near what you Sony fans believe. 

4. M$ made videogames before Sony did. So technically Sony are just a TV manufacturer if you are saying M$ ar jsut an OS manufacturer. MGS exited long before PS1.


1. Then play for live. Tell me where the money is spent though.

2. Consoles need to remain consoles. They dont have to be inferior graphically but they are dedicated gaming devices.

3. Its alright for you to believe Microsoft outshines Sony. Sony offers streamed/downloadable HD movies, albums at cheap prices and great gaming at a great cost. Gears is an Epic games property not Microsoft and Forza well...have fun with that. It matters not if you dont want to play infamous. For your information I have a PS3 and 360 and everywhere else in the world Sony is ahead. If you put the sales of Microsoft and Sony year for year Sony would be ahead.Sony does not just make TV's they make a wide variety of electronics, movies (Sony Pictures), music. Microsoft does not make computers, they at the most they make accessories. Their bread and butter is OS and OS alone. Despite the fact that you cannot stand Sony I am wholly sure you've given money to Sony pictures or a Sony contracted recording artist at some point in your life.

4. MGS published flight simulator and bought the IP. They are responsible for the destruction of that series, trust me I know I have friends who were huge fans of it. I grew out of it. Microsoft does not make games. Microsoft Game Studios was created when Microsoft created the Xbox. Trust me...they have lost a huge amount of money on first party outside of Fable, Halo and Forza. This is exactly why they rely on third parties. They are afraid of the risk it takes to make electronics under your own name. The Xbox is still getting shit from shareholders of Microsoft because they wanted them to focus solely on OS because Apple is handing them their collective asses.