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JEMC on 19 September 2012
Viper1 said:
zarx said:
Viper1 said:

While true, you still have VRAM and a coolling solution on the console so you still end up having to add that in overall.


Next gen consoles will likely be using unified RAM and one cooling system for the entire system tho so it is still not an apples to apples comparison. Going from a board with it's own power system, VRAM, cooling system, to a GPU soldered onto a board in a console is a big difference.

Sure, there is some difference between the 2 set ups but you quote me as though those things wouldn't be part of a console at all.

However, those are small drains compared to the GPU chips themselves.  3-10 watts for the fan.   A few watts for the VRAM.

Even if you completely removed those from the total system wattage budget, you'd still only drop the GPU from 130 to ~120 watts.

Not only that but, as zarx said, a console only has 1 cooling system that not only has to cool the GPU but also the CPU, which is another big heat producer. And it's even worse when you think that a console has a lot less space that a PC case to deal with it. And if you add the HDD and the optical drive it gets even worse.

And noise (from a high rpm fan) in a console is something we really don't like.



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
Viper1 said:
DanneSandin said:
Crono141 said:

AMD APU line is the budget choice for PC builders.  Lots of cores with high clock speeds at a relatively low cost (relative to intel).  They are x86/64 chips usually with a competant integrated graphics solution on the chip.  While they are cheaper than intel's line, they also underperform it significantly.  I really wonder how an x86/64 chip will perform in a game console, since to my knowledge this will be the first time someone has used one for that purpose.

One advantage (?) of them using an x86/64 chipset in their machines is that allows Sony and Microsoft to put windows 8 or other x86/64 OS backend on the device with not much modification.  For windows 8, it'll take drivers.  Sony could potentially use a Linux backend with this chipset, and I honestly think they will since "Playstation is a computer, not a console" has become a sony meme.  They might actually convince relevant governing bodies that this time its true, and be able to dodge the export tax that they are constantly trying to avoid.

haha so many words! and so few I understand in this context xD I'm sorry, I probably never will understand things like this - but thanks for trying! I kinda got bits and pieces, but nothing more...

AMD - A company that makes graphics cards and CPU's.

APU - Accelerated Processing Unit.  This is basically a GPU with extra stuff on it.  In this case, a built in GPU (graphics processing unit).

Core - An independant processing unit in a modern CPU.  A dual core CPU is like having 2 CPU's.  Each core can work on things separately.

x86/64 - This is a CPU instruction set.   How the CPU processes data. 

 

X86/64 based CPU's like those made by Intel and AMD are typically found in everyday home computers.  But video game consoles have typically used other types of CPUs.  The Wii, PS3, X360, GC and Wii U all use a type of CPU from IBM.  An operating system, like Windows 7 or the upcoming Windows 8, is designed to operate on certain CPU types.  Windows run on x86 and x86/64 types.  Since the next Xbox and/or PlayStation may use one of these x86/64 CPU's, it might be possible for them them to run Windows on the console.

Yeah, I kinda knew what a core was :P and Intel also makes... something... Does IBM, Intel and AMD make the same parts?



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Viper1 on 19 September 2012
DanneSandin said:

Does IBM, Intel and AMD make the same parts?

All 3 make CPU's but only IBM focuses on servers and workstation CPU's.   The other 2 companies make both types and they use the same instruction sets whereas IBM uses its own instruction sets.



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BlkPaladin on 19 September 2012
DanneSandin said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
DanneSandin said:
Well, considering the discussion that's been going on here now it's quite clear Xbox720 will be the most powerful next gen. They could easily make a console for $500 and sell it for $400 - something Sony won't be able to do because of the strong Yen. The PS4 would probably cost 35-40k to produce. If it costs 35k Yen to make it would probably get sold at $350 for a $56 loss, or at $400 for $6 loss. If it costs 40k Yen it'll get sold for $400 for a $64 loss, or sold at $450 for a $14 loss. Doesn't this sound plausible?

This clearly tells us only Xbox could have a major leap next gen. And if WiiStation is on par with each other I figure most games will get developed for these and get up scaled for Xbox3. Thoughts? Am I understanding the situation, or am I completely off?

You're a bit off imo. Xbox 3 will probably not be first in power if Kinect 2 comes with every box, if it doesn't I think the PS4 will almost definitely be a significant jump over the Wii U, but Xbox 3 has a good chance of being a significant jump over PS4.

I'm basing that conclusion on the discussion you had with Viper1 (one of the best I've seen around here really - I learned a lot!). MS has the cash to push a monster console, SOny simply can't do that imo.

Technically yes they could but would they. The console and Live parts of Microsoft is still in the hole from the Xbox days. They have the money overall, but the question will be will the investors and the board of diretors allow a project that has been in the red for over a decade continue with out major improvments on the profits. Remember this is overall a few years of having yearly profits doesn't cover for all the years they have been in the hole, curently standing at 4.1billion lost.

Here is the arcticle

http://t.co/F1dugpwK



DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
Viper1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Does IBM, Intel and AMD make the same parts?

All 3 make CPU's but only IBM focuses on servers and workstation CPU's.   The other 2 companies make both types and they use the same instruction sets whereas IBM uses its own instruction sets.

aaa ok, thanks =)



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DanneSandin on 19 September 2012
BlkPaladin said:
DanneSandin said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
DanneSandin said:
Well, considering the discussion that's been going on here now it's quite clear Xbox720 will be the most powerful next gen. They could easily make a console for $500 and sell it for $400 - something Sony won't be able to do because of the strong Yen. The PS4 would probably cost 35-40k to produce. If it costs 35k Yen to make it would probably get sold at $350 for a $56 loss, or at $400 for $6 loss. If it costs 40k Yen it'll get sold for $400 for a $64 loss, or sold at $450 for a $14 loss. Doesn't this sound plausible?

This clearly tells us only Xbox could have a major leap next gen. And if WiiStation is on par with each other I figure most games will get developed for these and get up scaled for Xbox3. Thoughts? Am I understanding the situation, or am I completely off?

You're a bit off imo. Xbox 3 will probably not be first in power if Kinect 2 comes with every box, if it doesn't I think the PS4 will almost definitely be a significant jump over the Wii U, but Xbox 3 has a good chance of being a significant jump over PS4.

I'm basing that conclusion on the discussion you had with Viper1 (one of the best I've seen around here really - I learned a lot!). MS has the cash to push a monster console, SOny simply can't do that imo.

Technically yes they could but would they. The console and Live parts of Microsoft is still in the hole from the Xbox days. They have the money overall, but the question will be will the investors and the board of diretors allow a project that has been in the red for over a decade continue with out major improvments on the profits. Remember this is overall a few years of having yearly profits doesn't cover for all the years they have been in the hole, curently standing at 4.1billion lost.

Here is the arcticle

http://t.co/F1dugpwK

Oooh that's very interesting :D thanks!!



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superchunk on 24 September 2012

Edited 1 & 2 posts with details from AMD tech support rumor considering multiple people have all had same result.

So far, it appears to all line up that Wii U is anywhere from 2x to 4x the power of PS360. About what's been surmised from day one by most, including myself. Can't wait for launch and the inevitable tear downs.

The hard part will be what PS4/neXtBox do. I still think they'll be anywhere from 4x to 8x the power of PS360. Putting all three within a close enough power level to have easy 3rd party ports for all.



HoloDust on 24 September 2012
superchunk said:
Edited 1 & 2 posts with details from AMD tech support rumor considering multiple people have all had same result.

So far, it appears to all line up that Wii U is anywhere from 2x to 4x the power of PS360. About what's been surmised from day one by most, including myself. Can't wait for launch and the inevitable tear downs.

The hard part will be what PS4/neXtBox do. I still think they'll be anywhere from 4x to 8x the power of PS360. Putting all three within a close enough power level to have easy 3rd party ports for all.


If GPU/CPU info on WiiU are anywhere correct I'd say we'll see 2-2.5x gain over PS360. As for rest...not sure for PS4, maybe they can afford to pull off 5-6x, but for Xbox720...for the longest time I thought they would go for 6x-8x times...but after reading again what that Remedy guy said about "quantum leap" and seeing leaked 88xx specs...not so sure they won't go for even 10x....I think Remedy is pretty good at tech, so I have a feeling they knew what they are talking about.



superchunk on 24 September 2012
HoloDust said:


If GPU/CPU info on WiiU are anywhere correct I'd say we'll see 2-2.5x gain over PS360. As for rest...not sure for PS4, maybe they can afford to pull off 5-6x, but for Xbox720...for the longest time I thought they would go for 6x-8x times...but after reading again what that Remedy guy said about "quantum leap" and seeing leaked 88xx specs...not so sure they won't go for even 10x....I think Remedy is pretty good at tech, so I have a feeling they knew what they are talking about.


You have to remember that the OP can only list off the shelf configurations and in every case there is significant new technologies that are not detailed in the plain numbers. 2x is bare min... 4x is with probably Nintendo modifications and apparent realization of new tech.



oni-link on 24 September 2012
superchunk said:
HoloDust said:


If GPU/CPU info on WiiU are anywhere correct I'd say we'll see 2-2.5x gain over PS360. As for rest...not sure for PS4, maybe they can afford to pull off 5-6x, but for Xbox720...for the longest time I thought they would go for 6x-8x times...but after reading again what that Remedy guy said about "quantum leap" and seeing leaked 88xx specs...not so sure they won't go for even 10x....I think Remedy is pretty good at tech, so I have a feeling they knew what they are talking about.


You have to remember that the OP can only list off the shelf configurations and in every case there is significant new technologies that are not detailed in the plain numbers. 2x is bare min... 4x is with probably Nintendo modifications and apparent realization of new tech.


Agreed, I believe that Nintendo's main goal was to make a system 4x more powerful than the 360PS3.  Seeing the amount of RAM, drive speed, and latest GPU leak all point that way.  At the very minimum I see the Wii U being 3.5x more powerful than the last generation HD system given the rumors and available specs for the sytem.