So basically you would have kept sending oil, food, supplies to Japan knowing full well they are using those items to invade islands all over the south pacific, plus China, Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, etc.), Philippines, and anywhere else they possibly could?

i don't support it but it isn't usa's right to police the world

i thought you supported ron paul

and then you say this?

usa didn't stop sedning oil and ammunition to UK even though they were doing alot of shit too

In all honesty I bet more people in all those countries would have died under Japanese control  than died when Japan got nuked.

so you're saying saying that helping people and trapping them with economic slavery is better than just killing them free?

In case you didn't know Japan basically saw every race besides their own as sub-human, they killed mercilessly and without remorse. Yeah the USA was motivated by the need to stop Japan from taking over American territory in the South-Pacific...but guess what by doing so they stopped the Japanese invasion of many innocent countries that couldn't defend themselves.

excuse after excuse.

japan was wrong but so was usa.

they stopped japanese empire with usa empire.no more,no less evil

If the US had kept sending oil to Japan that would be the same as sending ammunition to a terrorist who is going to go shoot up a school, it had to be stopped.

I think your obvious Anti-Americanism is clouding your view on this issue. How can you possibly say what Japan was doing wasn't wrong and didn't need to be stopped? 

thats nonsense

i am pro for free neutral america

i am not for empire america

stop playing with words

and i never said whta japan was doing as noty wrong,they were wrong.i have repeated this again and again but it isn't america's goddam buisness to get into others conflicts

And yeah dude I know Britain has done bad things in India, North America and elsewhere in their empire. One of my classes in university this year is on the British empire. We've gone over such things as the famine Britain caused in the 1870's and all that good stuff. And yeah slavery was bad too, but when you're done finding bad things write about Britain maybe you could get a second to find out Britain was also the first country in the world to abolish slavery,

thats classic exmaple,first inflict pain and then help so to decive people

and i am not against english,scottish,welsh people.the unions and kingdom which exhibits ruling class and socialistic system is what i am against.

how the hell wa british the first country to abolish slavery?

hell they were ruling the world till 60years ago

and now what do we have,economic slavery

and after that they pressured other nations to follow suit. Plus most of Britain's territorial gains was done peacefully and through treaties. Annexing a country via war was always the last option. 

yeah right,thats what they did with palestian and balfour declaration...................meh

Once again, Japanese government officials of the country bombed thought the atomic bombings were great, because it gave the empeorer the power to overthrow the will of the heads of the military.

alrite i will try to tell you what i mean is a relaxed way

I am not fighting the point that USA dropped a bomb and ended the war

I am talking about the fact that USA polices the world and that all that could have been avoided if USA never tinkered with JAPAN trade.

I am not in support of JAPANESE invasion of China but what USA does is nothing else by policing and using its empirically authoirity

I am fighting the point that USA first cause the wound and war and then saves people and shows the world it was the 'GOOD' one.

Here i am not talking about the American people but its corrupted government and Oligarchy and empirical ways

As you said,japanese were would have fought on till they died,atleast they would have died free and for their cause that world.

USA showed the world by investing in Japan afterwards that they are the 'GOOD' guys, but empire which traps a country aka Japan into doing what the empire want aka USAUK hedgemony is not really GOOD

as its really economic slavery and freedom is trapped as all that country can do is what the empire allows.

Whereas the empire itself did the same thing what JAPAN did,invade,slave,etc to become an empire

atleats they did it openly not by deceptive ways of the empire by propaganda,economic warfare,economic slavery,firsy cause the wound and then help heal,etc

Every other scenario, even including "America just leaving" would of ended with more japanese civilian deaths, because they had no means to stop their famine.

i don't argue this but america's action before the war caused the war in the first place

so before even debating who was good in the war,you have to debate what happend before it.thats what you have not been doing,you got straight to some events during the war and justified USA but where does JAPAN get its justice?

As for what other countries did decades and decades before, i can't begin to see how it's remotely relevant.

thats where you don't want to pay attention

all these conflicts had come relation and the wars were a contuniung episode where one thing cause the other thing to happen

You again seem to be missing the point.  I'd guess intentionally?

but i guess thats what u want to not investigate the facts and just put blame on other countries.

and i'd guess that you miss the point intentionally?

and like to look at WW2 as  video game where just by magic two sides went to war with each other without prior actions or events

this is real life,for something to happen,something has to happen before it

But WWII is different circumstances. USA didn't want to enter the war (Roosevelt wanted to but the US population didn't) so instead they sent war materials to Canada and Britain, and embargo'd Japan. That's reasonable to me, I have no problem with what they did there.

thats the same what happening right now

do you think terrorism is born out of magic?

they keep on stealing oil at cheap rates and oppress them with economic warfare and then when they rebel or fight for justice aka terrorism,you go in

how different is it?

They gave Japan an ultimatum bascially: Stop your advance or we stop sending you oil.

but who is usa to give japan an ultimatum?

But then of course Japan attacked Pearl Harbor so America had to declare war...and I support everything they did in the war including the use of Nuclear bombs. 

forget what happened during the war

first we have to discuss what happened before to even start discussing about the war

but you have continually gotten straight to war events to justify US actions,thats whats wrong

Its not just a side note - its one very, very important fact to understand many german actions after 1923.

But this fact - the illegal naval blockade AFTER the ending of WWI - is very often (nearly alway, nothing about it in german schoolbooks) brushed under the carpet - becaus the winner writs the history and is allowed to say, whats important and whars not so important.

1) As for your first point... I can only guess your not that familiar wit how Japan has turned out... or in general the US handling of Japan.

who says japan couldn't have done it on their selves and better?

your thinking of this empire dictatorial and socialistic way of life where few decide how capable you are and what you can achieve and what is good for people is why these wars happen

2) No, America's actions before the war did not start WW2.  Trade Friction between the west and Japan happened largely because of military actions BEFORE WW2.  The largest cause was the Mukden incident orchestrated by the Japanese to start a rebellion and cause the Puppet state of Manchuko to form.

Which was done in deceptive ways via propaganda, etc, basically everything you listed... except Manchuko was an ACTUAL puppet state unlike Post War Japan.  Which makes me wonder if you've ever even heard of Manchuko.

yeah but who is USA to regulate what the world should do or not?

they have done similar shit with their propaganda and fake excuses to go on war

Which, if you haven't , it's not a big deal, because it does tend to get left out of the history books for whatever reason, but it's amusing you'd consider me the one who hasn't done his research.

didn't usauk hedgemony have done that to world and other countries?

they have and then they became an empire and started dictating,the fact that you overlook those past criminal acts if you know them or not,you overlook them that why i accuse you.

you get straight to some incident to justify your point but don't bother that on what moral and liberty grounds does usa have the right to dictate?

The big thing that soured the US Japanese relationship was the Mukden incident.  After the Nanking Massacre, full trade embargos happened... as enough had become enough.

Japanese Agression caused the trade problems.

Not the otherway around.

japanese aggression was with china not usa

only 2 things that would be moral and responsible that usa could have done:

1)just didn't get involved and let people continue their business and solve their problems

2)USA should have gone in to protect china back then and try to resolve things

all other actions would lead to  japan keeping grudge and thats what happened.

this has happened again and again throughout history and they still continue to do it till this day that their can do whatever and they expect other not to fight for justice or live in freedom

Agreed!