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RolStoppable said:
Dr.Grass said:

You just like what you're hearing.

How can our dispute be put to the test? Vita sales numbers?

Of course, that's the only test after all.

I don't know why anybody thinks that the Vita will be a big success right off the bat. The popularity of the PSP shouldn't be a guarantee after the PS3 and 3DS stumbled out of the gates despite having widely successful predecessors. The Vita doesn't even have a known killer app announced as far as I know.

You can reduce the survey to a few simple numbers. Out of all the polled people, about 25 % own a PSP and 4 % own a Wii. There seems to be a lack of excitement for the Vita. Not that there's much excitement for the Wii U either, it's just that based on the ownerships of PSPs and Wiis, the Vita should naturally have better survey results.


I guess my prejudice stems from the perceived fanfare around Vita on the internet. Admittedly, it's not really worth anything considering the past installments of handheld devices.

The collective belief on the internet is such a misleading thing - I'm probably wrong (gave it a second thought).



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what a waste of time that survey was lol. 1000 ppl my ass.



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RolStoppable said:
Dr.Grass said:
''A survey conducted between October 17th and 19th asked 1,083 people about their interest in upcoming consoles. ''

COME ON PEOPLE.

Small sample space => USELESS statistics

This is worth NOTHING.

1,000 people is usually a big enough sample to arrive close enough to the actual numbers. Increasing the number to 10,000 people wouldn't lead to notably better results.

The bigger problem is to get a sample that is representative of the entire population. If you use the results of this survey (Japan has a population of about 120m people if memory serves me right), you have 12m buying either system for sure, about 42m being on the fence about either system and the rest being not interested at all.

The sample is biased towards gamers though, because 64 % of the people surveyed own at least one of the following systems: PS2, PS3, PSP, Wii, DS. It wasn't a survey solely among gamers as the thread title suggests. I doubt that 64 % of Japanese people own a gaming system, so you are better off by splitting the results at least in half. 6m will buy for sure, 21m on the fence; just sounds more believable. Of course a lot of people who answer "will buy for sure" end up not buying it.

The bottom line is that while this survey is by no means perfect, it's not all bad either. Certainly not as flawed as you suggested.

I wouldn't be surprised if 64% of Japanese people owned a system. If you add up this generation's consoles you get 55%. Of course some people will own several systems so say 45-50%. Then add PS2 to that and it's pretty likely.

If you go to Japan you'll see that all kinds of people use their DS's and PSP's, from children to old people, going through businessmen.

I agree though that the size of the sample is not a problem as long as it is representative. That's how surveying works, people always complain about sample sizes and don't realise that you don't need a sample of thousands. A scientific sample of this size is enough.

However, it is just loyal, early adopters who are going to be interested in a system before it launches. I'm sure it was similar for PSP, 3DS, etc. If the system gets good support, it is liked by those who buy it, etc., then more people will become interested down the line. It doesn't mean that 6m will buy the Vita, period.

And off-topic, but your avatar makes me think of certain sexual practice, also of Japanese origin, but that's just my dirty mind.



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RolStoppable said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

I wouldn't be surprised if 64% of Japanese people owned a system. If you add up this generation's consoles you get 55%. Of course some people will own several systems so say 45-50%. Then add PS2 to that and it's pretty likely.

If you go to Japan you'll see that all kinds of people use their DS's and PSP's, from children to old people, going through businessmen.

I agree though that the size of the sample is not a problem as long as it is representative. That's how surveying works, people always complain about sample sizes and don't realise that you don't need a sample of thousands. A scientific sample of this size is enough.

However, it is just loyal, early adopters who are going to be interested in a system before it launches. I'm sure it was similar for PSP, 3DS, etc. If the system gets good support, it is liked by those who buy it, etc., then more people will become interested down the line. It doesn't mean that 6m will buy the Vita, period.

And off-topic, but your avatar makes me think of certain sexual practice, also of Japanese origin, but that's just my dirty mind.

The percentages translate to way too high numbers, that's the problem. More than 50 million (buy for sure + interest) in potential sales just seems unrealistic for a home console that is a year away with little about its game lineup being known. My adjusted numbers didn't result in 6m buyers, but 27 million potential buyers for either system.

My avatar is absolutely fine.

It's difficult to imagine 13m peopl are 100% sure they will buy WiiU, so you may be right, perhaps the sample is not the best.

Anyway, Japan is very keen to quickly disappearing fads. Perhaps many people are certain they'll buy it because that's what's 'in', but they'll end up passing on the system once it's not. I'm sure many surveys in Japan end up with exaggerated numbers. Then again, that still doesn't bode well for Vita.

Nothing against you avatar, lol.



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Maybe I’m missing something, but being (probably) a year away from release with limited details available and having similar sales intention numbers to a system that is going to be released very soon is not that bad for the Wii U.

As has already been said, the Wii U at this point in time has only been demonstrated as a concept; and, as most of Nintendo’s fanbase will tell you, while the Wii U concept has potential it is not as exciting as the Wiimote was. This upcoming E3 will be Nintendo’s opportunity to show the Wii U as a system, and selling it to people who are currently uncommitted. If Nintendo does well, by showing off solid software, eliminating people’s fears about the hardware, and displaying services that people desire, the buying intentions for the Wii U could rise dramatically from their current spot.



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It will do fine. The Vita anyways. The PSP is on it's last legs. It was a great handheld and was very successful. I think most people know that it's time for it to pass on now. Let's just wait and see. As for the WiiU, based on the OP's signature, I'm not excited for it either



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Since it says gamers with at least one gaming platform it gives us over 3 milions (if we counted only DS owners) as potential buyers in short term - then there's another 30% + who are interested but not buying yet.

And uninterested people tend to become interested once you release soft they care about.
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RolStoppable said:
Joelcool7 said:

I was just going to point that out. This poll is remarkable considering only 5.7% owned a Nintendo Wii over 9% wanting to purchase WiiU shows an increase in demand rather then a decrease. This poll is misleading it claims these consumers are gamers but they obviously are not all what we would classify as gamers.

Owning a single game machine does not make you a gamer. Especially if that game machine was a PS2, that shows they haven't invested in new consoles or hardware in around a generation. This proves they are not the kind of consumer Nintendo or Sony is trying to attract nor would they be interested in next generation hardware.

What's misleading is the writeup of a gaming journalist, because this was a survey among a general population sample, not one restricted to gamers. Only about 700 of the 1,100 surveyed people owned at least one gaming system.

Owning a single game machine makes you a gamer, don't be silly. The survey most likely included a checklist for recent relevant gaming hardware, hence the inclusion of the PS2 which had a long life and the exclusion of the Xbox 360 and any older systems. Also, Nintendo and Sony should be interested in what everyone has to say, including the people who do not play games or haven't played games in a long while.


I agree however this research wouldn't be of much use to them. It doesn't specifically target age groups or levels of consumers.

Sony and Nintendo would probably be interested in a study that asked non-gamers if they are interested in their next generation systems. Or a poll that focused entirely on the elderly or mid aged adults. This survey covers way to wide of a demographic to be all that useful. Also a survey covering only gamers may give a better picture of how successful the systems could be. A survey restricted to Sony fans or Nintendo fans.

Nintendo and Sony need to know this stuff, but this specific survey doesn't offer the depth or facts to actually be of much use. Other then the fact that it proves WiiU is more popular among those surveyed then Wii was!

As for every console owner being a gamer. Well I know several people who bought PS2's because they were a cheap DVD player and many didn't buy a single game and if they did it was usually for a child living in the home. I myself bought my PS3 primarily as a BluRay player and know of at least two individuals who aren't gamers but purchased PS3's because they knew that the BluRay player was of higher quality.

One of them had bought a BluRay player at launch but it wasn't connected to the web and didn't update. It wasn't able to play a lot of the newer BluRays. I told him my PS3 was always updated and I didn't have that problem so he chose to buy a PS3 instead of another BR player.

Just because you own a console does not make you a gamer. Also judging by the ages of many of the responders they could have bought the console for their children and not played games at all. The survey didn't ask how many of you play games on a regular basis it asked how many of you own a games machine.

Owning a games machine and actually being a gamer don't always go hand in hand. You can own a machine and not be a gamer just like you can be a gamer and not own a machine!



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Mr Khan said:
I think it bodes worse for Vita than it does for Wii U. Wii U is little more than a concept at this point, albeit a concept that we know will exist in the foreseeable future. Vita has a price point, games, and an imminent release


Nailed it.

Though I can completely understand Japan's disinterest with Vita.



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ClaudeLv250 said:
Mr Khan said:
I think it bodes worse for Vita than it does for Wii U. Wii U is little more than a concept at this point, albeit a concept that we know will exist in the foreseeable future. Vita has a price point, games, and an imminent release


Nailed it.

Though I can completely understand Japan's disinterest with Vita.

And why would Japan be not interested in Vita ?



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