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LordTheNightKnight on 05 November 2011
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!"

No, he's bitter because 2D Mario actually sells better than 3D Mario (we can see it on this site), and the former is a killer app, the latter isn't. He's not acting like Nintendo is doomed themselves. He's stating that this console direction is not going to help Nintendo grow, but that the Wii and DS direction will. That isn't "doomed". It's "this way doesn't work, the other way does".

You need to be careful with your wording. 3D Mario games are killer apps, they sell in the range of 10m copies, after all.

The correct way to say it is that 2D Mario is the mother of all killer apps and as such much of Nintendo's success correlates with how much effort they put into these games. They take good care of these games = glorious sales. They refuse to make it = huge trouble.


First of all, there are just two that sold that many. They actual range is around 5 to just over 10. Second of all, selling that many doesn't guarantee a killer app, although those might not be circumstances that apply here (I'm thinking like sequels of already huge hits). Regardless, even if they are, the direction those games signify has been shown to turn off customers, which we saw with the Gamecube after the N64.



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cyberninja45 on 05 November 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
"misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!"

No, he's bitter because 2D Mario actually sells better than 3D Mario (we can see it on this site), and the former is a killer app, the latter isn't. He's not acting like Nintendo is doomed themselves. He's stating that this console direction is not going to help Nintendo grow, but that the Wii and DS direction will. That isn't "doomed". It's "this way doesn't work, the other way does".


What or where is this direction are yall talking about for the 3ds?



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BluGamer23 on 05 November 2011
cyberninja45 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!"

No, he's bitter because 2D Mario actually sells better than 3D Mario (we can see it on this site), and the former is a killer app, the latter isn't. He's not acting like Nintendo is doomed themselves. He's stating that this console direction is not going to help Nintendo grow, but that the Wii and DS direction will. That isn't "doomed". It's "this way doesn't work, the other way does".


What or where is this direction are yall talking about for the 3ds?

somebody answer this guy..

ill try...  

according to malstrom  3D = N64 = Gamecube = 3DS = low sales .. and that nintendo crowd rejects and does not want..  they want old nintendo not new nintendo..  3DS = obsession with 3D.. and nobody wants 3D ! ..not even lame and slow Super Mario 3DS !... 'who is gonna buy that game?'...

 

 

 



 

 

Soleron on 05 November 2011
BluGamer23 said:
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misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!

the nintendo should go third party comment is about the endless calls of the hardcore and haters for nintendo to die.. I mainly just categorized all the doomsayers together.. same thing every year for nintendo.. which for some reason i think works well for them.. doomed since 1889

So making their first yearly loss in 110 years is not a sign they are doing something wrong?



Mr Khan on 05 November 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
RolStoppable said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!"

No, he's bitter because 2D Mario actually sells better than 3D Mario (we can see it on this site), and the former is a killer app, the latter isn't. He's not acting like Nintendo is doomed themselves. He's stating that this console direction is not going to help Nintendo grow, but that the Wii and DS direction will. That isn't "doomed". It's "this way doesn't work, the other way does".

You need to be careful with your wording. 3D Mario games are killer apps, they sell in the range of 10m copies, after all.

The correct way to say it is that 2D Mario is the mother of all killer apps and as such much of Nintendo's success correlates with how much effort they put into these games. They take good care of these games = glorious sales. They refuse to make it = huge trouble.


First of all, there are just two that sold that many. They actual range is around 5 to just over 10. Second of all, selling that many doesn't guarantee a killer app, although those might not be circumstances that apply here (I'm thinking like sequels of already huge hits). Regardless, even if they are, the direction those games signify has been shown to turn off customers, which we saw with the Gamecube after the N64.

It is correct to assign 3D Mario the value of a killer app, but this does not mean that 3d Mario cannot be done in a way that is unappealing (as in Super Mario Sunshine). 64 and Galaxy 1 at least seemed to create momentum of their own. The problem with verifying that on Galaxy 1 was that Wii was in constant sell-out mode at the time, so it is impossible to tell what kind of impact it could have had on a console that was being supplied (or was priced) at demand levels



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non-gravity on 05 November 2011

Interesting read. Not that I fully agree, but still.

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BluGamer23 on 07 November 2011
Soleron said:
BluGamer23 said:
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misunderstanding malstrom?. lol!.. am I wrong when I say his very bitter because he does not get his 2D mario he said this himself.. all i see is most of his rant stems from not getting 2d mario.. which is really distracting from his other analysis .. all i see is .. wahh wahh no 2D mario.. ffuu nintendo!.. fffuu miyamoto!.. dieee!

the nintendo should go third party comment is about the endless calls of the hardcore and haters for nintendo to die.. I mainly just categorized all the doomsayers together.. same thing every year for nintendo.. which for some reason i think works well for them.. doomed since 1889

So making their first yearly loss in 110 years is not a sign they are doing something wrong?


.. wtf.. what is this question!..  they have been doing something wrong forever! .. and not just this year.. according to haters shishh..  get with the program..



 

 

Antabus on 07 November 2011

So Maelstrom is predicting that Wii U will fail? Gee, wonder what his fanboys think of him now... :D



mike_intellivision on 07 November 2011

Some thoughts after reading the articles and the postings ...

1. What do we is Sean Malstrom's credentials? We know little about him, other than his writings. Was he really sage by predicting the Wii's success ... or did he just go against the grain and get lucky? We have -- myself included -- treated his work as if he were a prophet. But what do we really know about him. And if he were that good/well-respected, would he not be running a company or at least be an analyst rather than a WordPress blogger? In other words, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but why is his so special

2. Only on the Wii could games that sell 3M or 6M (Wii Music and SMG2) be thought of as failures. Now he makes a point that the 2D Marios sell better than the 3D ones. But if you released more, would it not decrease their special quality/uniqueness/value?

3. It is hard to be "arcade" games when they have all but ceased to exist (2D fighters and ski-ball not withstanding).

4. How many M-rated games has Nintendo released? It is less than a handful.

5. Nintendo has lost money -- but so have a lot of Japanese companies this year. The earthquake event and the world economy (including the yen's value) have meant red ink for a lot of firms. Sony, Panasonic, Honda, Toyota. Google up a prominent Japanese company and chances are they have lost money -- a lot of money -- this year.

6. I close with this because I know my remarks will be ignored. This is because everyone already has their mind made up. Malstrom thinks he knows all -- and knows what Nintendo should be doing. Those who defend him see things his way. Those who refute him are equally made up in their minds.
Personally, there have been some missteps by Nintendo. And there will be some in the future. But there are also will be successes. I play games for fun -- and Nintendo is fun, just as games on Sony and Microsoft platforms can be fun.

Remember, many people predict Nintendo's doom because of their own personal tastes/desires, not because of reality. And many people predict their success for the same reason.

Mike from Morgantown



      


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oniyide on 07 November 2011
mike_intellivision said:
Some thoughts after reading the articles and the postings ...

1. What do we is Sean Malstrom's credentials? We know little about him, other than his writings. Was he really sage by predicting the Wii's success ... or did he just go against the grain and get lucky? We have -- myself included -- treated his work as if he were a prophet. But what do we really know about him. And if he were that good/well-respected, would he not be running a company or at least be an analyst rather than a WordPress blogger? In other words, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but why is his so special

2. Only on the Wii could games that sell 3M or 6M (Wii Music and SMG2) be thought of as failures. Now he makes a point that the 2D Marios sell better than the 3D ones. But if you released more, would it not decrease their special quality/uniqueness/value?

3. It is hard to be "arcade" games when they have all but ceased to exist (2D fighters and ski-ball not withstanding).

4. How many M-rated games has Nintendo released? It is less than a handful.

5. Nintendo has lost money -- but so have a lot of Japanese companies this year. The earthquake event and the world economy (including the yen's value) have meant red ink for a lot of firms. Sony, Panasonic, Honda, Toyota. Google up a prominent Japanese company and chances are they have lost money -- a lot of money -- this year.

6. I close with this because I know my remarks will be ignored. This is because everyone already has their mind made up. Malstrom thinks he knows all -- and knows what Nintendo should be doing. Those who defend him see things his way. Those who refute him are equally made up in their minds.
Personally, there have been some missteps by Nintendo. And there will be some in the future. But there are also will be successes. I play games for fun -- and Nintendo is fun, just as games on Sony and Microsoft platforms can be fun.

Remember, many people predict Nintendo's doom because of their own personal tastes/desires, not because of reality. And many people predict their success for the same reason.

Mike from Morgantown

That was great! i especially liked number 2. I never got how the Wii fans would consider those games flop, when even Ninty themselves have stated that a game that has not reached at least a million is a flop to them. By that logic 95% of the Wii library has flopped.