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Since someone finally asked I am Igor



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theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:
Stefl1504 said:

Actually I was the first person to throw KH into the ring because I mentioned that the only things I know about Nightmare before Christmas are known by me because I played KH... so no Hatmoza was not the one that mentioned Kingdom Hearts first...


There's another pro-town read.

Why would you clear someone as being town when all they've done is preemptively admitted something before they could be accused of it?

I'd say if anything, it's protown because he actually was NOT the person to start talking about KH, you were.He just briefly mentioned it in an off topic manner, and you did this huge thing.

But you didn't share that same thought in your posts. You actually attributed it to him.


I can't remember whether I said it or not in the game. Well I think I said why that struck me as town, but I'll say it again.

The reason I got a good read from that post was because a few posters were implying that I started the talk about KH,and while I was aware and ready to point out that it was someone else who started to discuss KH, stefl stepped forward and spat it out himself. Well, he mentioned it first at least.

You'd think scum would allow for other players to be misled.

Anywho, I don't like to repeat myself and the only reason I entertained this question is because I can't remember if I explained that in a post, or if I was just thinking to myself aloud that day..



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Wonktonodi said:
Since someone finally asked I am Igor




I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:
Stefl1504 said:

Actually I was the first person to throw KH into the ring because I mentioned that the only things I know about Nightmare before Christmas are known by me because I played KH... so no Hatmoza was not the one that mentioned Kingdom Hearts first...


There's another pro-town read.

Why would you clear someone as being town when all they've done is preemptively admitted something before they could be accused of it?

I'd say if anything, it's protown because he actually was NOT the person to start talking about KH, you were.He just briefly mentioned it in an off topic manner, and you did this huge thing.

But you didn't share that same thought in your posts. You actually attributed it to him.


I can't remember whether I said it or not in the game. Well I think I said why that struck me as town, but I'll say it again.

The reason I got a good read from that post was because a few posters were implying that I started the talk about KH,and while I was aware and ready to point out that it was someone else who started to discuss KH, stefl stepped forward and spat it out himself. Well, he mentioned it first at least.

You'd think scum would allow for other players to be misled.

Anywho, I don't like to repeat myself and the only reason I entertained this question is because I can't remember if I explained that in a post, or if I was just thinking to myself aloud that day..

So continue the thought process. Had it become a big deal, and gotten back to stefl, how would that make him look? In your eyes, it would have been bad for him because it would make him look like he was allowing a misled mislynch to occur, and once you WERE mislynched, he would then surely be lynched once people trace back where the error came from. Furthermore, you don't see the benefit of him gaining your trust.

It's a null tell at best, because I don't think you actually thought it out. Which makes me think you were eager to make friends.

And again, I'd say the only pro-town read in there should be because he didn't have to step forward. He did nothing wrong, but drew attention to himself by saying he was responsible for your hinting at a name despite the rules fully allowing for name-claims.

On the other hand, it could also be one scum covering for another, or even buying townie support. And now you mock me for pointing out something incredibly strange about him? Should I even  waste my time referring to how he held back from lynching ST and then MADE UP those ridiculous reasons (which I just recently readdressed in the post that you rofl'd at) when I called him on it?

And you suspect me? I'm not so sure I should be putting as much trust in you either Hat.

But even that isn't great compared to what I've seen going against him.



hatmoza said:
Wonktonodi said:
Since someone finally asked I am Igor



that's Eeyore and he thanks you for noticing him



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hatmoza said:
Wonktonodi said:
Since someone finally asked I am Igor



that's Eeyore and he thanks you for noticing him



I'll start this post by doing this:

Vote: morenoingrato

Now, here's why.

First of all, his edit didn't exactly earn him trust points with me. I don't believe he was coached to do it, I even find this idea preposterous even if Mafia is allowed to talk during the day. What I believe is that upon rereading his post, he realized it made him look bad and he corrected it. That kind of move could be done by a newb townie or by newb scum but I'm convinced it's more likely to happen if you're scum.

Then during the rest of Day One , moreno barely mentionned Silver-Tiger and preferred voting for Wonk. The only time he mentionned ST was when he unvoted Wonk and said he found ST suspicious but didn't want to vote just yet.

Then comes Day Two, where he opens with an analysis of the Mafia's decision to kill Metal_Gear and where he also shows he wants to vote for Wonk but settles for a FoS. My guess is that the fear of being accused of bandwagoning got the best of him. He later reaffirmed his suspicions of Wonk, without mustering the courage to vote once again.

Afterwards, he continued to analyse the Mafia's kill in these posts : [post] [post]. This I find very scummy coming from a new player. Why so much insight into what the Mafia might be thinking? I wouldn't mind it so much if someone had asked him to give his thought about it but that's the very first thing he mentionned on Day Two. Everytime he posted about it, I've had this feeling he was posting with such assurance because he was part of the discussion that led to the choice of Metal_Gear as a victim.



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theprof00 said:
Stefl1504 said:


I do see that connection too but I think its not that relevant since he could very well tell the truth (about having the ability to combine 1 and 1 and find out that hat is cyclops), and by my opinion this is a little to vague to really justify something so far...

@ prof - the only think I did so far was to role hint... why shouldn't we hint at roles, when someone fakeclaims it may very well end up in a mess if he is claims wrong - finally even a fake hint may backfire and get someone lynched. So I have nothing against hatmoza only hinting at his role... (well he revealed it by now)

Stefl, I'm curious as to how you could go after ST by saying this, when earlier, you said the above about Hat. I could remind you that at that point in time, Hat was not hinting at being vanilla. Which you seem to affirm here. The latter being after Hat claimed vanilla.

You also confirmed Hat here, not even halfway into the day, from what I'm guessing was completely based on a nameclaim.

to post my full post that was cut of by you - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286553

So I was actually talking about MG having the ability to figure out that hat is cyclops (just to clarifiy the first part - next time please put an indicator somewhere to show that parts of my post were cut of)...

I have to admit I missed Hats roleclaim (or at least I have forgotten about it some time in the game but it would have only made me go after ST even more after his mafia-roleclaim), and I boldly misused the term "role" in the bolded part of my post - at that point hat only hinted and revealed his name not his role... which is kind of the same to me... since I see both as roles - the character-role as in Jack, Cyclops, Oogie Boogie and the mafia-role as in Doc, Cop, Scum, Vanilla Townie...

at the bolded part of your post... I misuse role again^^ - again I am talking about character-roles - at that point I only knew that hat was Cyclops (at least he claimed it) and I was Undersea Gal - so two minor characters... in fact the trend with minor characters seems to be continued, because every (vanilla) townie so far had minor roles...

Well in fact - I still stand by my point that STs mafia-roleclaim (I have to get a better word for that too... since it somehow sounds like I am accusing everyone of being mafia) was just too ridiculous to be if this is a basic vanilla game - So I do think there was a huge diference between the hat situation and the ST situation... but I cannot dismiss that I hesitated voting for ST before making his mafia-roleclaim...

Finally STs fakeclaim backfired... at least from my point of view (ironically he did fulfill my glorious profecy of people hurting themselfs by fakeclaiming - see italics in my post)



Side note: I really gotta update my post extractor because combing through the thread is an absolute nightmare (before Christmas) with how slooooow this site is.



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Stefl1504 said:

to post my full post that was cut of by you - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286553

So I was actually talking about MG having the ability to figure out that hat is cyclops (just to clarifiy the first part - next time please put an indicator somewhere to show that parts of my post were cut of)...

I have to admit I missed Hats roleclaim (or at least I have forgotten about it some time in the game but it would have only made me go after ST even more after his mafia-roleclaim), and I boldly misused the term "role" in the bolded part of my post - at that point hat only hinted and revealed his name not his role... which is kind of the same to me... since I see both as roles - the character-role as in Jack, Cyclops, Oogie Boogie and the mafia-role as in Doc, Cop, Scum, Vanilla Townie...

at the bolded part of your post... I misuse role again^^ - again I am talking about character-roles - at that point I only knew that hat was Cyclops (at least he claimed it) and I was Undersea Gal - so two minor characters... in fact the trend with minor characters seems to be continued, because every (vanilla) townie so far had minor roles...

Well in fact - I still stand by my point that STs mafia-roleclaim (I have to get a better word for that too... since it somehow sounds like I am accusing everyone of being mafia) was just too ridiculous to be if this is a basic vanilla game - So I do think there was a huge diference between the hat situation and the ST situation... but I cannot dismiss that I hesitated voting for ST before making his mafia-roleclaim...

Finally STs fakeclaim backfired... at least from my point of view (ironically he did fulfill my glorious profecy of people hurting themselfs by fakeclaiming - see italics in my post)

1st bolded. Wtf are you talking about? That part has literally zero to do with anything.

2nd bolded. So then later in day 1, you don't consider that Hat is a vanilla even though he claimed cyclops...