Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
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The connection is laughable. There is no such thing as bussing while simultaneously saving. Additionally, there's no chance that I throw a teammate under the bus when the day could simply idle to no lynch or focus could have been turned to you or a lurker.(none of which is confirmed flipped scum, and thus might have been an extra townie mislynch) And if I was giving him an out, then I would unvote after he first claimed to be a counter to the nonexistant role. It's almost insulting that you'd think I'd let him make such an awful fakeclaim.
So what else has you thinking I'm scum?
As for derailing, as prof said today, the more people are put under the spotlight, the harder it is to focus on just one. Just by calling my alignment into question you create opportunity for votes on me or for people to second guess my agenda with lynching ST.
I don't mind hat's bandwagon vote as it is where I would like people to be. I've been nuetral to town on hat since the begining. As stated, I wanted him to explain his change in stance on Heph, but I also feel good about Heph so for now I'm content with them both. You were already tunneling hat day one until I said you're playing better, so I'm wouldn't be surprised if you say you think he's scum. What's your take on Heph, do you still not really think he's scum?
Yesterday as in day one? Because I don't think you've said anything of note day two yet. And if you're talking about what I brought up in this post with respect to hat, then it was only harping on his own admittance to laziness. Null tell for me, hat grows apathetic as either town or mafia.
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When you voted and made your points there was only one vote on him. You make the point that any good mod would have a counter to the role he says he though MDJ had. He gets another vote. He makes a claim. I mention my thought about your conection. He Gets 2 more votes. Then you comment on what I said and not even on his claim. So although I do think it is very unlikly that you would have killed off a fellow scum I could see you doing it to try and get on the good side of the town.
Why else do I think you are scum? I must tell you I didn't think you were. I was leaning town. I was not caring about you not making any comment on my post on hat. I was ok on the possibiblty of there being a conection between you and ST. but your insistence that my mentioning how you could connect with someone as a way to derail the thread is perposterous and doesn't sound like something you would say if you were town. As for questioning your agenda that was the point. I didn't want to see you coming back after he claimed and say we should unvote him.
If you aren't scum I am disapointed in you.
Yes I think hat is scum was sure of it yesterday and the more he posts the more I think so. However he's also posts and keeps the game interesting so I would be sad if he were lynched. Although with how popular he is that would take some doing.
My regular mistrust of heph has returned so I am back to neutral.
FF and TOS are probably the people I trust the most at the moment.
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You still can't have it both ways. It's either bussing or supplying an out. I've already explained why neither even makes sense, but YOU seem to be ignoring that. You're also twisting facts as ST only had two votes on him when he softclaimed a counter. Then I kept the pressure on. Then ST fakeclaimed fully, and finally Stefl made the third vote.
When you said "However it takes more than just a connection with scum for me to think you are scum." I thought you were saying you think I'm scum and you have more evidence that you've yet to speak of.
I did comment on your post on hat. But if you're looking for more analysis, than I will refer to FF's summary: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4288890
1. Null tell. You had been talking about pressuring Marcus so you HAD to follow it with a vote. It doesn't make you town or scum, but I still feel the base reason for anyone's vote on MDJ was weak.
2. I think it was overly defensive. TOS wasn't even attacking you, he just disagreed about what constitutes "pressure." Pointing at (1) doesn't make it a good defense either since it's a null tell.
3. You always seem to let hat get to you, so I do excuse the defensiveness there. Doesn't make you town though.
Your points against hat are valid, but whereas you say he's scum trying to frame you, I see it as hat trying to get something out of you or others.
I am not insistent on that point alone. It is coupled with the other distracting posts of yours which would only broaden the town's attention rather than focus it. Something which you have yet to comment on.
If you wanted to question my agenda so I couldn't unvote then you should have done it much sooner. Firstly, I did have time to unvote with the softclaim. Second, I was around after the fakeclaim because I wanted to gauge reactions to it. I wish I could use timestamps to prove it, but you let quite a while go by from your intial posts to pointing out a possible connection. You were also the only one to consider the claim plausible and wanted to give ST a night, something I wouldn't expect from any logically thinking townie.
Why isn't your vote on hat if you're so sure he's scum? I can't understand why you'd be sad to lynch scum, regardless of their activity level.
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You did both more busing than not. I dont think you fully intended to have him killed I think you wre hoping there would be a claim that would have him be trusted but his claim just got him more votes and you were forced to finish busing. It is not likely but possible.
As for contradictions you complain about anything I do that could increase the pool of potential lynched for the day yet have made post that do the same thing. You yourself can't have it both ways.
No there wasn't other evidence for me to think you are scum even now when you have points that are off I have a much more town lean on you. I think you believe your points about derailing even if I think they are complete nonsense.
Hat is only trying to get me lynched. Soon he will have that I am sure. Then when everyone sees I am vanilla town, he will try and turn the town on you. Hopefully then you will actually look through all his post and see what I was telling everyone day 1.
I have been busy while playing this game and posting here and there when I can or many posts at night when I am free. I sometimes don't get to post on things until much latter even if I see them sooner.
When heph questioned me on not knowing who should be protected last night what I was thinking of replying without a killing role of a protective role I haven't given it much though however I could come up with some if I wanted to I just want to hear prof's singular opinion. However that would have been way to similar to your post by the time I could have posted.
I am pretty sure I have ALWAYS had the opinion that a person claiming a town power should be given a chance unless letting them live would risk loosing the game that night. I mentioned it because I wanted onest discussion of what would be better and what would be worse? Before the end I was leaning killing would be better either way since even if he was what he says he was it would be a very long shot he would block a person with a day role and we would know imedialty that there was someone out there who he would have been set up to block.
My vote today is meaningless. You hat and heph made sure of that. I vote for him it would just be jumped on as revenge I vote anyone else it would just be called me trying to put the towns attention on someone else. No one will trust my opinion until after my name gets cleared and the fasted way for that is my lynch :)
The only other thing you have done that made me suspicious of you was when you were talking about hat not being Jack yet also not being him yourself. That seemed almost like a slip but you are way to careful and probably have a reason for knowing what you know.
