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Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:

Where is all this nonsense you speak of. The game started slow, but day one picked up quite nicely I'd say. Day two has been off to a pretty good start as well, though I'm still waiting for a few people to speak up.

I said I haven't been lazy like hat, not that it's laziness not to see why Wonk deserves a vote.

If anyone seemed like they didn't want ST to be lynched it was actually hat, so it's not soley based on the activity after ST came under fire. Though if you can honestly say thisthisthis, and this(though given I liked Stefl being an alternative I don't hold the questioning against Wonk) aren't distracting then how can you call today disorganized? For reference, I still think this conversation was a subtle attempt at trying to throw suspicion my way, thereby making me a followup lynch candidate or even derailing the whole lynch on ST. And in fairness, these posts are in support of ST's lynch. 

I actually much rather preferred Heph's behavior during the lynch. Even if scum is lynched I don't like single candidate lynches. Heph's vote was focused and provided a second possible lynchee, but never actively fought against the ST lynch. He got Noctis to follow the vote, which could point to him being scum trying to save his buddy; however, I have trouble believing that is the case if ST was throwing him under the bus.


I pointed out ST's connection to you and I stand by it.  You could have thrown ST under the bus while at the same time making room for him too claim. However it takes more than just a connection with scum for me to think you are scum. So I was saying where my suspicion was however it would be stupid to try and have you a follow up lynch and I don't see any logic in saying it could have derailed the lynch of ST

What are your thought's on Hat's bandwagon vote? In addition to the things I pointed out yesterday and what you yourself brought up in this post?

The connection is laughable. There is no such thing as bussing while simultaneously saving. Additionally, there's no chance that I throw a teammate under the bus when the day could simply idle to no lynch or focus could have been turned to you or a lurker.(none of which is confirmed flipped scum, and thus might have been an extra townie mislynch) And if I was giving him an out, then I would unvote after he first claimed to be a counter to the nonexistant role. It's almost insulting that you'd think I'd let him make such an awful fakeclaim.

So what else has you thinking I'm scum?

As for derailing, as prof said today, the more people are put under the spotlight, the harder it is to focus on just one. Just by calling my alignment into question you create opportunity for votes on me or for people to second guess my agenda with lynching ST.

I don't mind hat's bandwagon vote as it is where I would like people to be. I've been nuetral to town on hat since the begining. As stated, I wanted him to explain his change in stance on Heph, but I also feel good about Heph so for now I'm content with them both. You were already tunneling hat day one until I said you're playing better, so I'm wouldn't be surprised if you say you think he's scum. What's your take on Heph, do you still not really think he's scum?

Yesterday as in day one? Because I don't think you've said anything of note day two yet. And if you're talking about what I brought up in this post with respect to hat, then it was only harping on his own admittance to laziness. Null tell for me, hat grows apathetic as either town or mafia.

When you voted and made your points there was only one vote on him. You make the point that any good mod would have a counter to the role he says he though MDJ had. He gets another vote. He makes a claim. I mention my thought about your conection. He Gets 2 more votes. Then you comment on what I said and not even on his claim.  So although I do think it is very unlikly that you would have killed off a fellow scum I could see you doing it to try and get on the good side of the town.

Why else do I think you are scum? I must tell you I didn't think you were. I was leaning town. I was not caring about you not making any comment on my post on hat. I was ok on the possibiblty of there being a conection between you and ST. but your insistence that my mentioning how you could connect with someone as a way to derail the thread is perposterous and doesn't sound like something you would say if you were town. As for questioning your agenda that was the point. I didn't want to see you coming back after he claimed and say we should unvote him.

If you aren't scum I am disapointed in you.

Yes I think hat is scum was sure of it yesterday and the more he posts the more I think so. However he's also posts and keeps the game interesting so I would be sad if he were lynched. Although with how popular he is that would take some doing.

My regular mistrust of heph has returned so I am back to neutral.

FF and TOS are probably the people I trust the most at the moment.



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it seems to me that just criticizing wonk shifts you to the dark side of his visible spectrum. You're just revenge "talking" cause you dare not revenge voting, but that's basically what you explain. "If you aren't scum I'm disappointed in you"

Similarly, people talking and not accusing you are trustworthy... that's a pretty basic picture.

So what about Moreno and prof? they haven't clearly put themselves in the vote or defend category, but surely that shouldn't prevent you from having an opinion of them?



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Well, I thought this was goign to end up with some good leads.

Linkz is the only one who should have been doc'd.

My thought process was that the inherent safeness of the MG kill was motivated by an unclear view of who might be doc'd. Looking back at yesterday, hardly anyone stood out as a good choice.

My idea was that the people who didn't understand that Linkz should have been doc'd were most likely mafia.
But it seems nobody in this thread (except for maybe Heph) had any idea....



Well I knew you meant linkz but I actually believe there were 2...based on a reasoning where you might think 3. Though Linkz is the one that gave momentum to the lynch and was the most likely to be targeted. Still, that left many preys open, including some that purposefully put themselves forward with more than one hint on day one (not me).



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morenoingrato said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Might as well post this now, since I don't know how much longer I'll be online and how slow I am at rereading the thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287736

It's not much but in that post, ST defended Wonk with a weird choice of words: "I'm in the same league as him". Now you could say ST was playing around making a message with a double meaning (we voted the same and we're on the same team) but I don't think that fits with him as a player. The vibe I got from that post was that ST was looking to earn Wonk's trust and maybe the town's trust down the line.

I just looked at the post, well, when I read that, I started to think:

You may be right, ST could have said that to earn trust, but what if it was deeper than that?

He may have wanted to make you think that way, as he was pretty dead by then, that would clear Wonk and make him less suspicious.

He was far from dead at that point, I was the only one voting for him.

So now I have wonder are you twisting facts to help a mislynch on Wonk or was this a genuine newb mistake? You're looking more and more like a good lynch candidate.



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Final-Fan said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

Well, Trucks had the first vote, but Linkz had the evidence, although if we look at the big picture, FF was the one who discovered it.

It's hard to tell exactly what was going through everyone's mind at the time, but it seemed like FF stumbled upon a pretty good piece of evidence, and Linkz pressed the evidence into use. Had ST responded to FF, we could be crediting FF instead of Linkz... but Linkz did push and start the train.

I'm re-reading (skimming really) the thread and I can't seem to see Final-Fan addressing the Silver-Tiger situation before Linkz's vote. What was the piece of evidence that Final-Fan uncovered?

I thought ST meant one thing when he said another (see post).  Linkz questioned me as to why (suspecting me I suppose), but my answer was so good that Linkz put pressure on ST to explain his words, and it snowballed from there. 

Thanks for the clarification.



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Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:
You've admitted to being bored when vanilla, yet your first post said "I like my role - its so nice to be something else sometimes^^"


Humm^^ can't say I remember playing the last few times... so it just may be that I don't remember being anything else than mafia, lurker, loser... from when is that statement (me getting bored when vanilla)?

Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:
It's from many rounds ago, and could have even been in a quicktopic thread. I remember it vividly though, because I used it to peg you as a power role the time you were Lie Detector. You were very active and not obvscum.

You have been mafia quite a bit from recent recollection though,(I need to update the archives, like majorly) so I could see that as an exciting change of pace.


DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT THE LIE DETECTOR THING AGAIN!!! *cough* i messes up *cough*

and yeah I remember that I said it^^ I just don't remember when I said it...

Final-Fan said:
Oh -- the last 4 posts make Linkz's discovery less dramatic evidence than it looked like at first. Still!

How the hell does this stay at that?

Stefl, you claim vanilla (one would assume you get a penalty for that and thus would not have been so forward in claiming such so openly), surely you won't mind Name claiming (autorized in rule 1) ) to solidfy this claim...



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I guess I got sidetracked by the other talk. Now that I'm reminded, I also remember he's the one that promised an analysis of ST when he thought prof was going to vote him, and when that didn't happen never followed up (your "following the leader" video). And I don't recall that behavior ever being explained.

Stefl, can you give a better explanation of that than that you were going to cover for your scumbuddy, but then decided it wasn't necessary?

Vote stefl.



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@Truck:

I didn't really bother to check when the post was made, my bad, but my point still stands.
I think ST was trying to clear some suspicion of Wonk, I need more evidence, but I really have this feeling Wonk is in something.



@Truck:

I didn't really bother to check when the post was made, my bad, but my point still stands.
I think ST was trying to clear some suspicion of Wonk, I need more evidence, but I really have this feeling Wonk is in something.