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Wonktonodi on 09 November 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
Simply that we are going to get much by looking at it, and could be littered with wifom.
The way this game is going, disarray seems to be the commonality.

This game isn't that bad, I don't feel we're as scattered as you make it seem.

While I think we could benefit from the focused approach you've proposed, the truth of it is that we're now stuck in limbo waiting for Linkzmax to tell us why he's so suspicious of Wonk.

Please.

I accept total responsibility from the thread being currently devoid of foaming at the mouth. You want to propose something, then do it. But better there are less rabid posts to read, than a false picture of genuine activty.

the thread is currently devoid of anything

good job

would you rather people talk when there is something worth talking about, or reading through 100 posts of nonsense?

Here's something to talk about. With the way the conversation was going, there was only a couple significant points. Linkz' vote, and the votes following his. Linkz said it's laziness to not see the problem with wonk.

I myself don't see anything beyond his weirdness during the ST lynch. But it didn't look to me that he was trying to distract anyone. If anyone was being distracting, it was Heph on Stefl and his reluctance at Linkz' reasoning, which was actually very sound.

I'm kinda typing in a rush, so I know I'm missing something.

Why don't you read through the day and come up with your own points? It's not my job to provide you with something to talk about. It only makes me think that I'm inconveniencing your plans at active lurking.

Where is all this nonsense you speak of. The game started slow, but day one picked up quite nicely I'd say. Day two has been off to a pretty good start as well, though I'm still waiting for a few people to speak up.

I said I haven't been lazy like hat, not that it's laziness not to see why Wonk deserves a vote.

If anyone seemed like they didn't want ST to be lynched it was actually hat, so it's not soley based on the activity after ST came under fire. Though if you can honestly say this, this, this, and this(though given I liked Stefl being an alternative I don't hold the questioning against Wonk) aren't distracting then how can you call today disorganized? For reference, I still think this conversation was a subtle attempt at trying to throw suspicion my way, thereby making me a followup lynch candidate or even derailing the whole lynch on ST. And in fairness, these posts are in support of ST's lynch. 

I actually much rather preferred Heph's behavior during the lynch. Even if scum is lynched I don't like single candidate lynches. Heph's vote was focused and provided a second possible lynchee, but never actively fought against the ST lynch. He got Noctis to follow the vote, which could point to him being scum trying to save his buddy; however, I have trouble believing that is the case if ST was throwing him under the bus.


I pointed out ST's connection to you and I stand by it.  You could have thrown ST under the bus while at the same time making room for him too claim. However it takes more than just a connection with scum for me to think you are scum. So I was saying where my suspicion was however it would be stupid to try and have you a follow up lynch and I don't see any logic in saying it could have derailed the lynch of ST

What are your thought's on Hat's bandwagon vote? In addition to the things I pointed out yesterday and what you yourself brought up in this post?



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TruckOSaurus on 09 November 2011
theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:


I will humbly admit that I did not realize (or maybe I didn't  remember) that Linkz started the lynch train on ST or heavily contributed to it yesterday so I digress.

And I will take your advice and let this thing cool down.

Heck, maybe all the scum are the ones who haven't contributed since the day started! ok ok, I'll stop.

Well, Trucks had the first vote, but Linkz had the evidence, although if we look at the big picture, FF was the one who discovered it.

It's hard to tell exactly what was going through everyone's mind at the time, but it seemed like FF stumbled upon a pretty good piece of evidence, and Linkz pressed the evidence into use. Had ST responded to FF, we could be crediting FF instead of Linkz... but Linkz did push and start the train.

I'm re-reading (skimming really) the thread and I can't seem to see Final-Fan addressing the Silver-Tiger situation before Linkz's vote. What was the piece of evidence that Final-Fan uncovered?



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Moren on 09 November 2011
hatmoza said:
listen to you scrodem reachers ... is this how to ask trivial questions for dummies edition? It's obvious the person who needed the doc's protection most yesterday was MG. He was town after all, right? Or are we forgetting that?

If anything we should be criticizing the dumbass doc for not doing his frikkin job right. Hey doc, your job is for us to wake to no deaths the following day. It's not about protecting who's important like these dipshits are suggesting, it's about putting your head in the brain of the scum each passing night, and preventing them from being successful.

I agree on this. That was my theory.

Mafia killed the "least important" and ignored the strongest competitors. The doc protected the "strongest one" and that was probably Mafia's thought as well, so they went after MG.



TruckOSaurus on 09 November 2011

Might as well post this now, since I don't know how much longer I'll be online and how slow I am at rereading the thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287736

It's not much but in that post, ST defended Wonk with a weird choice of words: "I'm in the same league as him". Now you could say ST was playing around making a message with a double meaning (we voted the same and we're on the same team) but I don't think that fits with him as a player. The vibe I got from that post was that ST was looking to earn Wonk's trust and maybe the town's trust down the line.



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Moren on 09 November 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Might as well post this now, since I don't know how much longer I'll be online and how slow I am at rereading the thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287736

It's not much but in that post, ST defended Wonk with a weird choice of words: "I'm in the same league as him". Now you could say ST was playing around making a message with a double meaning (we voted the same and we're on the same team) but I don't think that fits with him as a player. The vibe I got from that post was that ST was looking to earn Wonk's trust and maybe the town's trust down the line.

I just looked at the post, well, when I read that, I started to think:

You may be right, ST could have said that to earn trust, but what if it was deeper than that?

He may have wanted to make you think that way, as he was pretty dead by then, that would clear Wonk and make him less suspicious.



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Linkzmax on 09 November 2011
hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:

The King is flattered you feel the need to constantly call him lazy. If there's one thing I learned from you in the dead thread and recent games is that you can't stand how successful I am in these games. X-D And when people be hating, you know you're doing something right.

Apparently you haven't learned much. I'm glad you're generally good. It's disappointing that you were bad last round and haven't shown anything of value yet here.



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Linkzmax on 09 November 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:

Where is all this nonsense you speak of. The game started slow, but day one picked up quite nicely I'd say. Day two has been off to a pretty good start as well, though I'm still waiting for a few people to speak up.

I said I haven't been lazy like hat, not that it's laziness not to see why Wonk deserves a vote.

If anyone seemed like they didn't want ST to be lynched it was actually hat, so it's not soley based on the activity after ST came under fire. Though if you can honestly say this, this, this, and this(though given I liked Stefl being an alternative I don't hold the questioning against Wonk) aren't distracting then how can you call today disorganized? For reference, I still think this conversation was a subtle attempt at trying to throw suspicion my way, thereby making me a followup lynch candidate or even derailing the whole lynch on ST. And in fairness, these posts are in support of ST's lynch. 

I actually much rather preferred Heph's behavior during the lynch. Even if scum is lynched I don't like single candidate lynches. Heph's vote was focused and provided a second possible lynchee, but never actively fought against the ST lynch. He got Noctis to follow the vote, which could point to him being scum trying to save his buddy; however, I have trouble believing that is the case if ST was throwing him under the bus.


I pointed out ST's connection to you and I stand by it.  You could have thrown ST under the bus while at the same time making room for him too claim. However it takes more than just a connection with scum for me to think you are scum. So I was saying where my suspicion was however it would be stupid to try and have you a follow up lynch and I don't see any logic in saying it could have derailed the lynch of ST

What are your thought's on Hat's bandwagon vote? In addition to the things I pointed out yesterday and what you yourself brought up in this post?

The connection is laughable. There is no such thing as bussing while simultaneously saving. Additionally, there's no chance that I throw a teammate under the bus when the day could simply idle to no lynch or focus could have been turned to you or a lurker.(none of which is confirmed flipped scum, and thus might have been an extra townie mislynch) And if I was giving him an out, then I would unvote after he first claimed to be a counter to the nonexistant role. It's almost insulting that you'd think I'd let him make such an awful fakeclaim.

So what else has you thinking I'm scum?

As for derailing, as prof said today, the more people are put under the spotlight, the harder it is to focus on just one. Just by calling my alignment into question you create opportunity for votes on me or for people to second guess my agenda with lynching ST.

I don't mind hat's bandwagon vote as it is where I would like people to be. I've been nuetral to town on hat since the begining. As stated, I wanted him to explain his change in stance on Heph, but I also feel good about Heph so for now I'm content with them both. You were already tunneling hat day one until I said you're playing better, so I'm wouldn't be surprised if you say you think he's scum. What's your take on Heph, do you still not really think he's scum?

Yesterday as in day one? Because I don't think you've said anything of note day two yet. And if you're talking about what I brought up in this post with respect to hat, then it was only harping on his own admittance to laziness. Null tell for me, hat grows apathetic as either town or mafia.



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Linkzmax on 09 November 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Might as well post this now, since I don't know how much longer I'll be online and how slow I am at rereading the thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287736

It's not much but in that post, ST defended Wonk with a weird choice of words: "I'm in the same league as him". Now you could say ST was playing around making a message with a double meaning (we voted the same and we're on the same team) but I don't think that fits with him as a player. The vibe I got from that post was that ST was looking to earn Wonk's trust and maybe the town's trust down the line.

Looking at that post in context, ST had a vote yet hat was pressuring Wonk. I read it more as ST was trying to push away suspicion from them both. If Wonk had commented on that post in any way I could see it as ST trying to earn Wonk's trust, but I see it more as Wonk not wanting to draw attenton to a connection.

Oh and as for FF first pointing out something about ST, it was the "a vengeful mafia member" stuff.



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Linkzmax on 09 November 2011
morenoingrato said:
hatmoza said:
listen to you scrodem reachers ... is this how to ask trivial questions for dummies edition? It's obvious the person who needed the doc's protection most yesterday was MG. He was town after all, right? Or are we forgetting that?

If anything we should be criticizing the dumbass doc for not doing his frikkin job right. Hey doc, your job is for us to wake to no deaths the following day. It's not about protecting who's important like these dipshits are suggesting, it's about putting your head in the brain of the scum each passing night, and preventing them from being successful.

I agree on this. That was my theory.

Mafia killed the "least important" and ignored the strongest competitors. The doc protected the "strongest one" and that was probably Mafia's thought as well, so they went after MG.

Enough of the talk about MG dying.

Why only an FoS for Wonk today when you voted him yesterday?(before ultimately unvoting)

Also any other suspects, and who do you think is town?



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Final-Fan on 09 November 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

Well, Trucks had the first vote, but Linkz had the evidence, although if we look at the big picture, FF was the one who discovered it.

It's hard to tell exactly what was going through everyone's mind at the time, but it seemed like FF stumbled upon a pretty good piece of evidence, and Linkz pressed the evidence into use. Had ST responded to FF, we could be crediting FF instead of Linkz... but Linkz did push and start the train.

I'm re-reading (skimming really) the thread and I can't seem to see Final-Fan addressing the Silver-Tiger situation before Linkz's vote. What was the piece of evidence that Final-Fan uncovered?

I thought ST meant one thing when he said another (see post).  Linkz questioned me as to why (suspecting me I suppose), but my answer was so good that Linkz put pressure on ST to explain his words, and it snowballed from there. 



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