where did i say that?

I presented a reason for my vote on stefl, i have presented my opinion on ST when prof asked, but i haven't compared the two, nor do i feel it is a relevant thing to do.

didn't do a mistake, i put 2 votes in one cell and jumped direct to L-4 =)

on the contrary, i posted the rules and votals to make him talk (nothing adds pressure like a death timer).

Ya know, I gave you enough time to defend yourself, then enough time to explain yourself (day time roleblocker???)... at this point you can suck my balls ST. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and endured Wonk throwing more tampons at me just for you to put up a good argument, maybe even convince us, "hey, maybe he is town." But you handled that so poorly that I'd be surprised if you aren't scum.

Vote: Silver-Tiger

except that nobody has commented about day roles. You made that decision.

And all your reasoning is really bad. There are plenty of good reasons to lynch him, but you have some of the weirdest ones. It feels to me like you're avoiding the potential accusation of parroting (except for that part where yu credit MG)

And make no mistake, if you kill me, you aren't going to solve your problems. You hesitated on ST without any good reason and you have strange reasoning for the vote once it IS placed.

Also, your vote was:

"Actually... I don't like that roleclaim one bit... its far too non vanilla for my taste - and I would only believe it if there was more than one daytime role"

Not only did you make the decision that a role can't exist because it's too non-vanilla, despite the fact that nobody should know the setup, but that your reasoning also assumes the types of roles. So above, your statement was about your reasoning having nothing to do with the other roles is entirely false. It's in the very sentence where you say "I don't like that roleclaim one bit". It's not a "furthermore", it's not an "additionally", it's part of your main reasoning.

I remember a time when we used to never first day lynch, now it isn't a mafia game unless someone is lynched first day. I miss the early VGC mafia games.

sad to see a buddy go?

anywho, blame time limits, short ones hurry a no lynch, long ones force a lynch to compensate lost time.

wow Wonk, that's either some terrible logic or you're desperately trying to defend flailing scum by trying to push a connection between me and ST. I though ST was soft-claiming BP with his first defense, and I might have unvoted for that alone. But I didn't like the defense in general so I kept the pressure on, and I'm glad I did because it sure seems like ST paniced. ST created a very unlikely role that counters another. It could be buyable if a Vengeful Mafia had actually flipped, but it's still quite doubtful at this point. Now ST has disappeared again, probably given up and doesn't want to expose a teammate. Also, hat has been far too useless day one. I'm rescinding my transparently town comment.

Yeah, but it isn't that I am afraid of parroting its just that I don't like to parrot - so I just don't talk about that stuff that seems to be clear already - and for me the tipping point was when he roleclaimed, though it was not nearly necesary - because of the roles I already know (MDJs and mine) I have to think of this game as vanilla - and I would believe it if he claimed (normal-nighttime) cop or something like that, but a daytime roleblocker was just too much for me to believe a word he spoke - even if he is town he outright lied (at least in my eyes), and just because of the lying I have voted for him, and normally Mafia tend to lie and Town should not lie, specially when he isn't in a situation where he wasn't under such pressure that he had to think of something, instead he was trying to defend his actions with a stupid, stupid lie - and I would be happy if someone can tell me that he 100% didn't lie, for me theres no benefit of the doubt here... and when he wasn't Mafia and a daytime roleblocker, well then I fucked up - otherwise he fucked up by telling a lie .

how is saying you and ST could both be scum in any way defending him?  I just pointed something out that should be noted if ST get's lynched and flips scum.

So now a question for you is it better to lynch ST and find out if he is is what he says he is or is it better to give him another day?