so you are willing to vote on those points yet you aren't willing to say I agree with them or add anything when there is discussion?

I don't feel satisfied with your answers but I doubt I will get more out of you at the moment.  Plus I did commit myself to a big argument againts hat.

So for now

Unvote: ToS

Vote: Hat

This will take a little while.

I know why you claim to have voted, but to me it looks quite suspicious that ToS votes to put some pressure on MDJ only to have you vote very shortly afterwards to do the same.  To me it looks no different to ST's vote as a bandwagon vote .  And I will continue to treat it as such.

And since you asked, any more than 1 vote for someone is putting pressure on them.   

Maybe you feel the need to increace your participation with posts that bring nothing new to the table, I don't.

as epic as this?

"I know hence the italics :P but it would have been fun to say now you have two votes ToS by your own thoughts this should be enough pressure to get you talking."

I think you're all being retarded with this pressure talk. I literally LOLed when Vetteman made a meta definition for what pressure is. I'm starting to get a "paranoid" read on several of you, making me lean town.

It's simple basic English that at least two people had already messed up.

I see the post you're referring to, but that was clearly more of a vanilla softclaim.

I didn't think roles actually were switched, but I was taking a page out of your book and trying to get Baal to mod-confirm/deny something.

That's quite a good explanation actually. When you put it like that it's actually odd that ST really did mean his role rather than demeanor.

As FF requested the break down.  So fist I'll bring up him calling my vote bandwagoning. Before MDJ had come in and revenge voted hat. Here are some posts I had made.

me quoting MDJ and asking questions http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286552

me saying we should put pressure on MDJ  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286558

me explaining to prof why I think we should put pressure on MDJ   http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286586

and after MDJ's revenge votes my vote saying it was time to put the pressure  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286638

How he or anyone can try and argue my vote is a bandwagon vote is beyond me. I was arguing we put pressure on him and did just what I wanted to do.

Next up  his trying to say my apply pressure argument doesn't make sense. When it is pretty clear and sufficiently explained in the posts when I made them. My reasons came and then  when I saw MDJ had posted the vote it was a logical order to things. Hat is accusing me of making the case to put pressure on MDJ so I could latter use them as an excuse to vote. Really?  He thinks I was going to talk about putting pressure on MDJ and not vote for him? I was arguing that there should have been more votes to put pressure yet I am someone just jumping on a bandwagon? I don't know how any sane person could come to that conclusion.

He say that if I"Explained it once and moved on".   That is what I had done. Between the post where I voted and the post where hat suspects me I made one more post on the matter.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286770

It was at ToS since his defence of me to vette was only on the timing of our votes and had nothing to do with the fact I had been making the points. It was also me saying that I think only two votes isn't good pressure.

I had explained it one and moved on. Yet hat says if I had sone that he wouldn't have been suspicious of me yet after I had moved on he brings it up. Here are the posts where he mentions me.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287122 mentions he doesn't like my vote

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287140 asks ToS about timing of out votes and thinks my vote mentioning pressure was copying ToS when I had been posting putting pressure on MDJ for a while and ToS post doesn't even use the word.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287144 here he knows the the timing of my vote was the same as ToS yet in the post I am quoting he says this.

"I'm suspicious of you for a very specific reason. The ill-timed vote on MDJ"

So we know that's not the reason. He also says I'm too defensive about his suspicion when all I have been doing is pointing out that other players are playing poorly by not reading my post and jumping to bad conclusions. It just so happend hat had to keep pushing and now I am very sure he is scum. Trying to get the attention on me instead of a least one scum buddies who wasn't paying attention before.

He is going for the argument of defensiveness to try and diminish the fact that Vette Tos and himself had all made some errors. Morenoingrato seems to be just bandwagoning on the arguments of hat and latter ToS

Yes I know. It's sad.