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Please trucks, answer prof's questions. I'm honestly quite interested in your answer.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

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theprof00 said:

Now that MJ is dead, allow me to readdress this.

Earlier, I had proposed that MJ had said his opening because I had pressured him. If he were mafia he could've easily used my reasoning to imply that I was mafia so that his slip could end up earning his death back. I was the one who asked him to play, and pushed him to play, even. Check his wall.

The point is, you say you have alternate theories and don't want to list them, but if he had been mafia, he could easily have used mine. So, be that as it is, I'd like to hear these theories of yours, just to make sure that you weren't just pretending to have them.

I wasn't looking for something out of the ordinary from MDJ something as simple as "I was just goofing around on my first post" would have sufficed. He could also have gotten a valuable town role and if he felt he wasn't skilled enough to use it wisely, his statement would have made sense since he would have felt the pressure because he didn't want to let the town down.

On the flip side, if he had responded by bending the truth radish-style to make himself look good (something like "I wanted to generate discussion") then my suspicions of him would have risen considerably.



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hatmoza said:
Wonk, I'm suspicious of you for a very specific reason. The ill-timed vote on MDJ. Add to that, you're getting way too defensive about my suspicion. I don't care what you said earlier, or what you said to prof. What I care about now is your bandwagoning and defensive attitude. Honestly, I would have expected you to have grown out of the revenge mentality by now.

This whole thing of you, and especially now, stinks. And yes, you are my top suspect at the moment. Even that explanation to apply pressure doesn't make any sense to me...

I mean listen to yourself. This is essentially what you are saying to ToS above, " Why didn't you see my post earlier? I per-emptively explained myself in a conversation with prof. How come you couldn't catch on to that and reach the same conclusion I have? My vote isn't that suspicious now, right?"

It's it's like you had that excuse ready, or literally pulled it out of your ass when people started to question your vote on MDJ. And it wouldn't have been so bad if you explained it once and moved on. I swear I wouldn't even still be talking about it if you weren't so damn defensive about it. ...

I really wish you played better as scum but sadly no. You are playing just as you did last time only more poorly.  This post is so sloppy and fully of logic fails, contradictions, and lies it's really quite pathetic.

I will break them all down if people ask me to but for now I will see if I can find your scum buddies.



I would actually prefer explanations, yes. Because right now ... you're being crazy, but maybe I'm just having a hard time making any sense of what you are saying.

Please, "break it down" for me. And give me your thoughts on prof while you're at it.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

Now that MJ is dead, allow me to readdress this.

Earlier, I had proposed that MJ had said his opening because I had pressured him. If he were mafia he could've easily used my reasoning to imply that I was mafia so that his slip could end up earning his death back. I was the one who asked him to play, and pushed him to play, even. Check his wall.

The point is, you say you have alternate theories and don't want to list them, but if he had been mafia, he could easily have used mine. So, be that as it is, I'd like to hear these theories of yours, just to make sure that you weren't just pretending to have them.

I wasn't looking for something out of the ordinary from MDJ something as simple as "I was just goofing around on my first post" would have sufficed. He could also have gotten a valuable town role and if he felt he wasn't skilled enough to use it wisely, his statement would have made sense since he would have felt the pressure because he didn't want to let the town down.

On the flip side, if he had responded by bending the truth radish-style to make himself look good (something like "I wanted to generate discussion") then my suspicions of him would have risen considerably.

But you said that your options might have generated a "yes that's what I meant" response from MJ. I don't see anything listed just now that could've fit that scenario.

I guess I just don't understand the pressuring aspect. You had a vote, so what would he have had to say to remove it. You say that "if he said X, you suspicion would have risen", but your vote was already on him.

I can understand someone like Wonk saying that the reasoning was to get him to start playing, but your pressure was just for a reply, and "just goofing off" might have sufficed? If I put myself in your shoes, I just can't think of a situation where I would put a vote just to get a simple answer and then remove it. Don't get me wrong, it FEELS like it's a bit of pressuring, but it's not well executed or reasoned, which makes me then feel like it's a hollow imitation at scum hunting.

But maybe you're just busy or not fully invested for some reason. I wouldn't say you're at the top of my list.



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morenoingrato said:
@ Wonk:
Since someone mentioned you as a suspect, you started acting in a very deffensive way, you suddenly started to point at multiple people, almost as if you were trying to escape of something, so I'm not changing my vote, you are very suspicious to me right now.


I point out that multiple people are useing poor reasoning and so I suspect them, to see if it was a misunderstanding or if there is something more sinister, because of this I have already found hat to be scum. You are looking more and more like scum yourself since calling someone defensive for pointing out 4 people making an error is a very weak argument. I will be moving on from you as well and see how ToS and vette play out. I doubt all 4 of you are a team but I am pretty sure it is more than just hat.



These responses sure are taking a long time.



ToS why did you vote when you did and not before?



theprof00 said:
These responses sure are taking a long time.


at lease you got one maybe we should put two votes on ToS and see what the pressure does.

Unvote: Hat

Vote: ToS



Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
These responses sure are taking a long time.


at lease you got one maybe we should put two votes on ToS and see what the pressure does.

Unvote: Hat

Vote: ToS

I'm not so sure that Trucks is one to fall to pressure. I also don't think I WANT to pressure him. Let's just say that he tends to get "testy"