Ah, I thought you meant why wonks and trucks were trying to put pressure on MJ.

I also didn't like st's vote on mj, because I don't think I remember him being suspicious of marcus where as wonk and trucks had previously voiced theirs. His vote felt like it came out of no where and was just bandwagoning.

ToS my disagreement with you is just about how much presure is needed. I don't think I will ever agree that just 2 votes out of 8 is enough to put presure on someone but maybe.
However it would have been nice for you to mention at the time of your vote that you agreed with whatt I had just been saying. Since you didn't nor did you answer hats question I am starting to wonder about you motives.
Vette hasn't clearly said if he thinks that only two votes are needed for presure or if he like hat is trying to rewrite history. If the first I don't really care is the second he will soon be fighting hat for my vote. But for now HoS
Hat i'd like to just think he was drunk when he missed over when I was saying we should put presure on mdj. That he just didn't see prof asking me why and my responce after but for him to be a king we must hold him to a higher standard.
Vote: Hat

Moreno I am thinking is a new scum since he is useing a faulty argument for his vote.
Posting from my phone I hope I got the vote bolded.

Wonk, I'm suspicious of you for a very specific reason. The ill-timed vote on MDJ. Add to that, you're getting way too defensive about my suspicion. I don't care what you said earlier, or what you said to prof. What I care about now is your bandwagoning and defensive attitude. Honestly, I would have expected you to have grown out of the revenge mentality by now.

This whole thing of you, and especially now, stinks. And yes, you are my top suspect at the moment. Even that explanation to apply pressure doesn't make any sense to me...

I mean listen to yourself. This is essentially what you are saying to ToS above, " Why didn't you see my post earlier? I per-emptively explained myself in a conversation with prof. How come you couldn't catch on to that and reach the same conclusion I have? My vote isn't that suspicious now, right?"

It's it's like you had that excuse ready, or literally pulled it out of your ass when people started to question your vote on MDJ. And it wouldn't have been so bad if you explained it once and moved on. I swear I wouldn't even still be talking about it if you weren't so damn defensive about it. ...

I want to say your vote was a joke because of the royalty thingy majing ... I'll give you that benefit of the doubt because even *insert crappy mafia player username here* sees who I am. Nothing but a vanille town if you haven't figured it out yet.

Both you and Silver-Tiger seem to be acting like MARCUS knew what he was doing. If say MetalGear were to revenge vote, I would understand the suspicion but the vibe I got from MDJ was that he was reacting in a very natural way: "Hit me, I'll hit you back". The revenge vote is not why I voted for him, I voted for him because I wanted him to start making sense and to participate to the discussion.

my fist post when I had laptop access.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286558

my reasons for wanting to put pressure.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286586

and even my vote post

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286638

If you really just wanted to put presure on him and it had nothing to do with his vote why did you only post it after his vote?

You did it just moments after so you were obviouly paying attention at the time. So why not sooner when I had mentioned it?

As for me I voted then because I was going to vote then, him posting then just meant that he whould know he had been quoted in this thread and might keep posting.

@ Wonk:
Since someone mentioned you as a suspect, you started acting in a very deffensive way, you suddenly started to point at multiple people, almost as if you were trying to escape of something, so I'm not changing my vote, you are very suspicious to me right now.

Now that MJ is dead, allow me to readdress this.

Earlier, I had proposed that MJ had said his opening because I had pressured him. If he were mafia he could've easily used my reasoning to imply that I was mafia so that his slip could end up earning his death back. I was the one who asked him to play, and pushed him to play, even. Check his wall.

The point is, you say you have alternate theories and don't want to list them, but if he had been mafia, he could easily have used mine. So, be that as it is, I'd like to hear these theories of yours, just to make sure that you weren't just pretending to have them.

I believe one or more of several of you are mafia. St, trucks, wonk.

ST voted because he actually believed MJ was scum. He called MJ a vengeful mafia, and based on MJs voting pattern, he could have been vengeful (ie: must vote for anyone who votes for them). But that role is usually town, and the mafia slant (like I said before) reminds me of the slant against me last game when everyone called me an anti-town survivor in order to excuse their vote. I feel like ST did that here, and if I weren't a bigger man (read: better player) I'd make it my personal goal to see him lynched.

Wonk's motivations for the vote make sense to me if he were trying to pressure info out of MJ, but IMO the whole intro thing is bogus. His opening was nothing remarkable, and had he been allowed to lurk, we'd have an extra townie on the field right now. The whole experience feels like a push to modkill the guy who hasn't shown up in a while. And everything post modkill for wonk just hasn't made any sense. It feels like he's nervous as now he has voted Hat for a strange reason, who doesn't come off to me as anything other than pathetically town. But then again, I don't feel like if he were mafia, that he'd be pushing for a townie and then go after another townie or mafia to prove himself.  I'd say that rather than being mafia, he blames Hat for his whole predicament, which is why he voted for Hat based on a failure on Hat's part.

“When the game is over, the king and the pawn go into the same box”