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Baalzamon said:
hatmoza said:

No actually baalz. Giving penalties to people who roleclaim is understandable but running a dictatorship on what people are to say, or flat out limiting them by threatening to a modkill is off the wall. So you did screw us over.

You should have placed that in the OP.

Blame yourself for the exploit.

Stefl's modkill was bullshit and I just took it to the next level to show my stance on the matter.

Role reveals ARE also allowed, but there will be a penalty.  Due to the circumstances of the game and people being able to deduce what somebody is based on the punishment they received, the potential punishments that one may receive for role claiming will NOT be provided.  Please understand, if/when you role claim, there IS a punishment, so do so at your own risk.

I'll go over this slowly, so I can get your incredibly stupid ass egotistical brain to figure it out.

There will be a penalty. 

-Ok, so we know there will be a penalty.

Circumstances of the game.  Deduce what somebody is based on the punishment they received.

-Ok, so clearly I am worried about other players being able to deduce who somebody is just because they were punished.  You see, in a game such as this, we have people who try to break the game.  I swear every time a game says it will have a punishment, somebody comes up with the brilliant idea, "lets all claim such and such so we can rule it out for certain players."

Potential punishments...will NOT be provided.

-So while it is known that there are punishments, it is unknown what they are.

IS a punishment...do so at your own risk.

-I'm clearly telling people there is a punishment, and that they are roleclaiming at their own risk.  They have been forewarned that they will receive punishment.

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No. If you just butted out of it, no one would be able to make any clear deduction. Believe it or not Einstein, the only link would be YOUR warning of modkilling.

Also, your bolded statement only implies one punishment for a roleclaim, not additional punishments. You can explain it however the fuck you want but I see none of what you explain.

Take your double standards ... where the sun don't shine.



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hatmoza said:

and I deliberately ended the game that way to prove the point that your game was broken. You don't restrict what people say.

The more you apply laws and rules, the easier they are to break. trying to shut stefl or me up and I'm bound to make my voice clear. I don't care what others think, I don't care if I'm hated.

"If I don't like the rules, I will break them".  This is what you are saying hat, which makes sense because it's what you did.  But make no mistake, your attitude is no nobler than that. 

hatmoza said:

Also, your bolded statement only implies one punishment for a roleclaim, not additional punishments. You can explain it however the fuck you want but I see none of what you explain.

There are punishments for revealing your role.  Are you really telling us you're so stupid you can't infer there would also be punishments for revealing the punishments received for roleclaiming? 



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Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:

and I deliberately ended the game that way to prove the point that your game was broken. You don't restrict what people say.

The more you apply laws and rules, the easier they are to break. trying to shut stefl or me up and I'm bound to make my voice clear. I don't care what others think, I don't care if I'm hated.

"If I don't like the rules, I will break them".  This is what you are saying hat, which makes sense because it's what you did.  But make no mistake, your attitude is no nobler than that. 

hatmoza said:

Also, your bolded statement only implies one punishment for a roleclaim, not additional punishments. You can explain it however the fuck you want but I see none of what you explain.

There are punishments for revealing your role.  Are you really telling us you're so stupid you can't infer there would also be punishments for revealing the punishments received for roleclaiming? 


Never pretended to be noble. Trying to control how I play is far worse. That's where the focus of my argument is. Actually throughout the game CONSTANT changes were made to keep the game as balanced as possible. When I realized what was going on, and that it was my turn to be manipulated by his fuck ups, I wasn't going to keep my mouth shut. Never in my life did I see such a shitsided game. I just provided you the final push to victory since baalz tried his fucking damdest to get the scum so far in the game for balance sake.

And no Sherlock, my punishment was loss of my cop role. That I can live with, but threatening me with a modkill for additional reasons not specified in the OP I have a problem with.



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Infer? What is this, a science methods class? Here, we state things, not leave them open-ended to allow room for manipulation...



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Final-Fan said:
If you want, I can try to remember to tone down my vocabulary for you. Does an 8th grade level sound OK?


I'm talking 'bout mafia rules in the OP.

There's nothing wrong with what you stated except for the matter that you imply that rules should be inferences instead of statements, which makes shit sense anyways.



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hatmoza said:
Baalzamon said:
hatmoza said:

No actually baalz. Giving penalties to people who roleclaim is understandable but running a dictatorship on what people are to say, or flat out limiting them by threatening to a modkill is off the wall. So you did screw us over.

You should have placed that in the OP.

Blame yourself for the exploit.

Stefl's modkill was bullshit and I just took it to the next level to show my stance on the matter.

What I also find funny about the entire situation is that it isn't even that fucking hard to keep your god damned trap shut, and just not tell anybody you were punished.  If you can't do that, then you shouldn't have roleclaimed, because you knew perfectly well that you would be punished.

 


 new rules

First off, as others have already said.  Get the fuck over it.  There were rules, and you more or less insinuated you didn't give a shit about the rules.  After you get punished, as the rules clearly fucking said you would, you then bitch about the rules.

Are the rules something that I will do again?  No.  That doesn't mean they still shouldn't be followed.

Second off, as was the case with you, it was Stefl's decision to roleclaim vanilla.  Did he have to do this?  No.  Did he choose to?  Yes.  He knew perfectly well he would be punished for doing this.  The fact that he then had issues speaking in the thread due to his punishment is completely his fault.  It was completely up to him to roleclaim.

Finally, where the fuck did I make new rules?  No new rules were made in the game, so I have absolutely no fucking clue where you came up with that.  Right from the start, part of the punishment received was that you wouldn't be able to reveal it.



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How is this game not over with yet, the last mafia should have sent the kill order already. No one elses power would matter since we dont have a doctor ability.



hatmoza said:
and lol, you mention in the dead thread you regret not punishing certain people.

Go take your double standards and shove them straight up your ass.


If this is the case than this is absolute bullshit.   As a mod you are to guide your game along.  Not manipulate it in the background,  only choosing to enforce your rules when you feel like it.   



Vetteman94 said:
hatmoza said:
and lol, you mention in the dead thread you regret not punishing certain people.

Go take your double standards and shove them straight up your ass.


If this is the case than this is absolute bullshit.   As a mod you are to guide your game along.  Not manipulate it in the background,  only choosing to enforce your rules when you feel like it.   

Baalz missed Wonk's roleclaim so he didn't remove his vote. So it's not that he chose not to do it, he made a mistake.



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