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hatmoza on 23 November 2011
Final-Fan said:
And I thought radish more or less said his manipulations were limited to votes?


Just read through it, and yes, Radish implied that he manipulates votes, not actions.

 



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hatmoza on 23 November 2011

I'm going to read the whole game during the holiday.

With all the flips and all the info we have, this is probably going to make it a lot easier for me to make a decision. It probably is a lot easier than I'm making this out to be but I don't want to make the same mistake I made last game.

If I'm outsmarted this time, I want to know I at least tried.

Vette, name and roleclaim so this thing can come to full circle.



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hatmoza on 23 November 2011

Could Wonk be bus driver scum? ... but that would mean Vette would have to be SK if you're truly the tracker. meaning this game had 5 scum O_o

F-F, I'ma be honest, I'm still believing my scans over what you have to say so far ...



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Vetteman94 on 23 November 2011

I am the Clown with the Tear Away Face, I am a 2 shot Vigilante, my first target was Moreno my second was theprof.

I have a hard time believing that there would be a tracker, watcher and a cop. Normally its just a tracker/watcher combo. Which makes you the odd man out hatmoza.



hatmoza on 23 November 2011
Vetteman94 said:
I am the Clown with the Tear Away Face, I am a 2 shot Vigilante, my first target was Moreno my second was theprof.

I have a hard time believing that there would be a tracker, watcher and a cop. Normally its just a tracker/watcher combo. Which makes you the odd man out hatmoza.


I appreciate your contribution and opinion just don't do something crazy like vote me because I do have an ace up my sleeve to prove that I'm not lying in the case that no one believes me.

 

Wonk, come please and give your thoughts.



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hatmoza on 23 November 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i hate you. this is so not fair. uh i'm cool. your putting to much pressure on me buddy but i will rise or die. which ever comes first?

 

Linkzmax said:
"i hate you. this is so not fair. uh i'm cool. your putting to much pressure on me buddy but i will rise or die. which ever comes first?" SO does not fit with "MarcusDJackson [...] was Gate Keeper-Town Vanilla."

I can't believe Baal would switch people's roles post-start like that.

 

hatmoza said:
Ugh MDJ, true, your burden was heavy. A King , however, can bring life to that role, and you disappoint me that such a burden weighed strongly on your shoulder. I'll continue your legacy. Not all men are created Kings.

I particularly don't like ST and Wonk's votes. I doubt both of them are scum, but I guarantee one of them are.

 

hatmoza said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
"i hate you. this is so not fair. uh i'm cool. your putting to much pressure on me buddy but i will rise or die. which ever comes first?" SO does not fit with "MarcusDJackson [...] was Gate Keeper-Town Vanilla."

I can't believe Baal would switch people's roles post-start like that.

pressure could indicate cop/doc too... if that were the case, I see no problem switching a vanilla townie for that role in order not to change the balance with the modkill.


hmmm this is very interesting.

 

Let me just make something clear. One of my posts above may imply that I inherited some kind of ability. I want to make this clear because I don't want to get killed by mafia thinking I'm a plain town turned doc or cop. I am not a cop or doc. Stay away from me scum. I don't want to die first night. I plan to stick around for a while. Cyclops vanilla town will do.

That would just suck. It's like adding insult to my already injured ego. Kings should never be simpletons.

fyi, this is were I knew Linkz and Heph were connected somehow. Back then, I assumed mafia, but after heph's scan, I figured they were masons.

Linkzmax said:

I see the post you're referring to, but that was clearly more of a vanilla softclaim.

I didn't think roles actually were switched, but I was taking a page out of your book and trying to get Baal to mod-confirm/deny something.

tearing a page out of my book or not, you were onto something Linkz that I still can't figure out how you concluded role swirches without inside info. I express my discomfort here.

hatmoza said:

You got to learn how to filter some of the shit prof says sometimes. Anyone can find anything in any post if they looked hard enough and add " I have a weird/interesting/strange/vibe/instinct/feeling about that, and turn it in to something. Frankly, I'm tired of emotional breakdowns in this thread.

Linkz. I can't ignore this anymore. I was really concerened that Scum would kill me tonight if I bought it up again, but I don't care anymore. And I reassure you all again I'm a simpleton. But why  ... nay how did you just randomly blurt that role exchange out like that? That is baalz [MDJ] having another role, important role that may have been switched? I've been thinking thinking thinking and the only conclusion I can get to is the game mod has told you something. What really makes me believe you had some kind of outside communication is you were talking about baalz maybe allowing scum to talk during the day.

My conclusion, you are either scum who lost a scum mate ... Or a mason group who lost a fellow mason.

If you are mason, I'm truly sorry. But I've literally lost an hour of sleep thinking about this last night. And I have to know.

EDIT [MDJ]

 

The reason I'm bringing all this info back is because the game was long and a bunch of you may not be thinking straight or even logically because of the stuff you forgot.

And not to long ago, Trucks reached the conclusion I was a coop too who I then had to deny again.

btw, this isn't my ace up the sleeve. Hopefully I don't have to resort to it because it's a loophole in baalz rules that I can exploit, and he won't be happy.



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hatmoza on 23 November 2011

After reading that, ask yourself. Why did I make a fuss out of Linkz suggesting that MDJ initially having a cop role that was switched?



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Final-Fan on 23 November 2011
hatmoza said:
After reading that, ask yourself. Why did I make a fuss out of Linkz suggesting that MDJ initially having a cop role that was switched?

Where did Linkz specifically point to him being cop (instead of other important role)? 

I am not seeing what you are claiming in the evidence given, which is making me really suspicious. 



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Final-Fan on 23 November 2011

On the other hand, there is the point about TOS. http://www.vgchartz.com/includes/undecided.gif



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Final-Fan on 23 November 2011

Wait a minute. What if Wonk is a mafia bus driver and there's no SK (vette really is a vig)? The town's investigative roles, though numerous, could be thrown off the track by clever mafia, so I can conceive of all 3 of us being legit.

So: evil hat, evil Wonk, or 2 scum and we're pretty boned.



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