sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
Actually for most schools a 3-day suspension is about the second worst thing that happens to you short of expulsion.
Expulsion isn't gonna happen unless someone brings in a weapon/uses a weapon or puts someone in an extended hospital stay.
I mean shit, someones ignorant and a bully, you your respond by permanently removing them from education from a school?
Doesn't really send the right message.
EDIT: And I went to school in ohio. So yeah, a 3 Day suspension is pretty serious.
Usually a punch gets you one day...
if Your in a two way fight, the agressor gets 3 days, the person defending themselves gets 1.
Or at least that was standard MO when I was in school way back when.
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Yeah, I guess the bully is more important than the victims and their safety, right? It's more important to send out the message that you can beat someone up, and you'll get 3 days off from school for it, than that school is a place where you're suppose to feel safe, and if someone beats you up they'll be taken care of, no?
Great way of thinking. Guess that's why bullying is such a minor problem in American schools these days.
And punishing the victim for defending him/herself. Way to go! You guys have such a way with dealing with these issues.
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Hey, the kids mom is perfectly free to press charges via the police.
Holding a kid out of school for a long period of time is only going to make him dumber, angrier and even more dangerous, and considering that schooling is MANDATORY until like 16 or 18... that just means things would be even wrose for whoever he bullies.
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You don't have to hold him out of school. Just send him to some juvenile institution. The victims are more important than the bully, and schools are obligated to protect their students (the school should've called the police in the first place). As I said, this is why bullying is so widespread in your country and it isn't in others. Haven't you ever thought that your approach of doing nothing against the bullies, and giving harsher punishment to victims is the problem?
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Says who?
For that matter what makes you think Europe is harsher on bullying?
Outside that, a Juvenile institiution really isn't going to have the socialization nessisary to stop bullying and if anything is only going to refine it and other criminal acts further.
It's they say about Jail. Jail teaches criminals how to be better criminals
Expulsion should be held off as a last choice until it's found the person is beyond the help of counsuling and schooling...
and somehow i doubt Western Europe, which has less harsh sentences for everything is suddenly all gung ho on student punishment.
I really doubt schools anywhere expel on a first offense unless there is serious permanent damage or it's something like brining a gun to school or setting a bomb or something.
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Well, I won't speak for all of Europe, but here in Romania the punishment for physically assaulting another student is very harsh. This kid would've definately been expelled (not to mention that the school would've imediately called the police, as they're required to report something like this). And guess what, we don't have situation like this in schools. Why? Because kid's aren't THAT stupid to do something that will get them expelled. And they're also smart enough to know they can do it if there will be no serious consequences, like in your country. And between Romania and the US, guess which has much lower rates of bullying?
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A) Romania isn't even remotely representative of the rest of the country.
B) Don't have these types of situations in your schools? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=845_1208868655
C) Couldn't say. Statistics on such things are fairly rare to come across and tend to be inaccurate do to the tendency to use official government sources which ignore underreporting. For example, it's found that spousal abuse in romania and other forms of corporal punishment are greatly underreported vs other countries.
Additionally, Romania isn't exactly top of the list for internetional studies anyway and for some reason actually dropped out of the study on this matter.
Usually doesn't mean things are going great when that happens... all i could find would suggest that it'd be near the top of the charts though, so i'd be interested why you think it'd be low.
For example, 8.4% of kids in the US self report being bullied once per week or moe... and 10.6 sometimes
http://www.martialartsforpeace.com/pages/bullyingstatistics.html
Vs the city in romania where it's
55% and 40.5%... which is just silly high. (Perhaps it's the city?)
http://ami.info.umfcluj.ro/Full-text/AMI_27_2010/AMI27%284%29_062_066.pdf
For what it's worth though, the US does do better (to the reporst) vs Romanian Neighbor the Ukraine, and in general seems to fall around the middle of Europeon countries.
