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What is better for each game?

Sound: Forza 4 29 6.26%
 
Sound: GT5 6 1.30%
 
Graphics: Forza 4 14 3.02%
 
Graphics: GT5 67 14.47%
 
Sound/Graphics: Forza 4 109 23.54%
 
Sound/Graphics: GT5 144 31.10%
 
Sound: Both about the same 1 0.22%
 
Graphics: Both about the same 6 1.30%
 
Sound/Graphics: Both about the same 16 3.46%
 
See results. 69 14.90%
 
Total:461
yo_john117 on 02 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
yo_john117 said:
That was a well deserved ban.

Well it's only 4 days, but it's 4 days of peace without insult.

Aye...but after those 4 days all bets are off



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Michael-5 on 02 November 2011
Aldro said:
Haha, you guys really flatter me XD. Yeah, I have the power to multi vote :O!

Nah but really, I meant it as in:
Oo wtf is that Michael-5 guy on about? GT5 is leading. But I cant bother to argue about GT5 and FM4 because.. I honestly don't really care that much. PD did drop the ball at release and they are making up for it, and hell I barely played FM4, but from what I did; It wasn't really neceserily to say which one is better because I am playing GT5 and I am happy with that. Two sims, or two racers in general.. I don't like the genre that much. Twisted metal on the other hand ;D haha.

So I just jumped in, troll face and said; hey, GT5 is winning, whatcha on about?!

What I've noticed is that whenever Forza 4 gets ahead of GT5 in the poll, GT5 will suddenly get 15-20 more votes.

Honestly, the difference in negligable, and all I've ever argued is that both games are of similar quality.

Let's just agree both games are fun as hell, and move on before goforgolds ban is up and he comes back.



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Michael-5 on 02 November 2011
lestatdark said:
yo_john117 said:

Actually out of all the people in this thread I agree with what you said the most. I hope to see your opinions of F4 once you get it.

A lot of what Michael says is pretty good too, some of it I'm inclined to disagree with and I'm not a fan of some of his methods of debating in this thread (especially against goforgold) But overall I think Michael 5 is one of the more reasonable people in this thread and a good all around member.

I can't wait to get it, haven't played a decent racing sims since GT5 and Forza 3 in the last two years. 

Michael 5 did have his fallacies in his methods, but he was (mostly) level-headed and civil about it. I respect those kind of debaters, even with the flaws in their logics. I don't agree with goforgolds methods at all, it's propaganda mixed with some demeaning gifs to taunt counterpart debaters, there wasn't a single piece of honest opinion from his part nor an attempt of finding a common ground. 

All in all, I agree with Rol. This thread has run it's course and every side has present (exhaustively) all arguments for each game, plus people have been banned already.

Well it's very difficult to debate with childish people. Sometimes you need to ploy silly tactics. When I debate with smarter users like MARCUSDJACKSON, we often have a much deeper debate, where both sides see flaws in their logic. I wish I could debate with others to my full extent, and produce more reasonable outcomes, not based on tally's, but unless I'm debating with someone really intelligent I can't. Get someone like CGI or MDJ in a debate with me, and it's a lot more respectable.

Also supporting any xbox exclusive over a PS3 on on VGC is nearly impossible.



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Aldro on 02 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
Aldro said:
Haha, you guys really flatter me XD. Yeah, I have the power to multi vote :O!

Nah but really, I meant it as in:
Oo wtf is that Michael-5 guy on about? GT5 is leading. But I cant bother to argue about GT5 and FM4 because.. I honestly don't really care that much. PD did drop the ball at release and they are making up for it, and hell I barely played FM4, but from what I did; It wasn't really neceserily to say which one is better because I am playing GT5 and I am happy with that. Two sims, or two racers in general.. I don't like the genre that much. Twisted metal on the other hand ;D haha.

So I just jumped in, troll face and said; hey, GT5 is winning, whatcha on about?!

What I've noticed is that whenever Forza 4 gets ahead of GT5 in the poll, GT5 will suddenly get 15-20 more votes.

Honestly, the difference in negligable, and all I've ever argued is that both games are of similar quality.

Let's just agree both games are fun as hell, and move on before goforgolds ban is up and he comes back.

I haven't really stopped anywhere in order to move on XD. I just throw in comments ocasionally. I'm all about UC3 right now!



h2o1977 on 02 November 2011

Forza wins in my books....



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Michael-5 on 02 November 2011
Aldro said:
Michael-5 said:
Aldro said:
Haha, you guys really flatter me XD. Yeah, I have the power to multi vote :O!

Nah but really, I meant it as in:
Oo wtf is that Michael-5 guy on about? GT5 is leading. But I cant bother to argue about GT5 and FM4 because.. I honestly don't really care that much. PD did drop the ball at release and they are making up for it, and hell I barely played FM4, but from what I did; It wasn't really neceserily to say which one is better because I am playing GT5 and I am happy with that. Two sims, or two racers in general.. I don't like the genre that much. Twisted metal on the other hand ;D haha.

So I just jumped in, troll face and said; hey, GT5 is winning, whatcha on about?!

What I've noticed is that whenever Forza 4 gets ahead of GT5 in the poll, GT5 will suddenly get 15-20 more votes.

Honestly, the difference in negligable, and all I've ever argued is that both games are of similar quality.

Let's just agree both games are fun as hell, and move on before goforgolds ban is up and he comes back.

I haven't really stopped anywhere in order to move on XD. I just throw in comments ocasionally. I'm all about UC3 right now!

Lucky ass... My PS3 is broken, so I'm going to have to wait until May until I move in with a buddy who has a PS3. Were both taking an engineering course at Bridgestone and getting racing licences next summer.



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Michael-5 on 02 November 2011
RolStoppable said:
Michael-5 said:

... Sometimes you need to ploy silly tactics. When I debate with smarter users like MARCUSDJACKSON, we often have a much deeper debate, where both sides see flaws in their logic. 

 

I don't know what to say. I just don't.

With what specifically? Ploying silly tactics, or MDJ being a good debater?



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Michael-5 on 02 November 2011
RolStoppable said:
Michael-5 said:
RolStoppable said:
Michael-5 said:

When I debate with smarter users like MARCUSDJACKSON, ...

I don't know what to say. I just don't.

With what specifically? Ploying silly tactics, or MDJ being a good debater?

There, I reduced it further to only show the most relevant part. It just is so odd to read something like this and I don't know how to feel about it. It could be interpreted in several different ways.

As for the quota for this thread, VGC has some unwritten rules. That is all.

compared to goforgold..........few aren't

MDJ can be biased like me, but he is genuinly someone I enjoy deabting with. Reasonable too is excellent, and well.... reasonable. I think outside of GT5 ethomaz is genuinly good to debate with too.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 02 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Michael-5 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

GPL did both complete physics and damage simulation of suspensions, but it had undeformable chassis too. Most probably it's a necessary compromise when RAM is limited, but also when decisions to allocate funds and dev time and resources must be made.

Just think about this: suspension are dynamic parts of which a real time model must be implemented, so simulating them when they are damaged has roughly the same computational weight and a deformed arm can be simulated changing characteristic angles and sizes in the same way, although with exaggerated values, in which suspension settings are simulated.

But a chassis, despite not really rigid, is tens or hundreds thousand times more rigid than suspensions, so when simulating it undamaged, approximation to a totally rigid one, maybe adding some approximated angles to suspensions ones to simulate its very small deformations, can be done. Simulating faithfully greater deformations would require a more detailed and modifiable chassis model that would differ noticeably from the simpler approximated one only for heavy damages, so additional resources, dev costs, RAM requirements and computational weight would be added just to be used to simulate the chassis and car behaviour when damage is so heavy to totally compromise the race.

Hence, a sensible compromise is to simulate as well as possible suspensions damages, when accidents are serious enough, the damages will stop the car anyway, but here comes the problem: in open-wheels cars suspensions are totally exposed to damage, so in most serious accidents they'll receive enough damages to stop the car and so give the correct effect of the accident to the race.

But in cars with covered wheels, they are a lot more protected, particularly if the chassis is approximated with a totally rigid one, so using suspension damage will be often not enough to realistically kick cars out of the race in accidents that in reality should do it.

Approximating engine damage from over-revving or overheating has less consequences on realism (as long as permanent damage in reality is simulated with permanent damage in the game), and simulating its damages from hits is almost totally unnecessary, as in reality chassis, suspensions and wheels should be heavily damaged before it and also in cars with the engine protruding forward or backward, so more vulnerable, an heavy hit to it would damage chassis, axles (if the traction is on the same part where the engine is) and suspensions.

I gotta get more into PC gaming. Yea one of the most unrealistic things about GT5 is that you can jump a car 10-15 feet high and no damage. A car will have serious suspension damage for heights over 1 foot, and most of these cars would bottom out at that height causing body damage. Anything more then a foot would likely destroy the car. However Kazunori Yamauchi says they had to limit the damage in GT5 to make it fun. If they started making it realistic, many of the non existant dream tracks wouldn't be drivable.

It's so stupid though. I know for Forza 4, non of the tracks let you jump over a foot. None of this BS, it's all realistic.

It's not even so simple in reality, as like when skiing, the consequences of a jump aren't just a function of its height, but also of how the car lands and how's the road slope at landing and not only slope, but also at least its first derivative, as it influences whether it will add or subtract suspension compression to the one caused by just absorbing the vertical speed of the landing.

First derivative of what? Do you mean velocity (derivative of position)?

Maybe next gen Forza's/GT's will fix this issue. It really bugs the heck out of me when I play GT5 because it's been a problem since GT3, never adressed, and they call it a sim...

The last thing I mentioned was slope, first derivative of slope, telling whether it's concave or convex. If the road is concave where the car lands, centrifugal force is downward and it furtherly pushes the car down, increasing the risk of going beyond suspensions and chassis limits, if it's convex, centrifugal force will tend to lift the car, making the stress on suspensions smaller. Also, unless the landing happens when the car is still going up (quite rare unless you have a very steep bump or slope to take-off, immediately followed by another, higher bump, or by another, more elevated surface where you have to land, this is stuff you'll find in stunt shows or stunts for action movies or motocross and trials tracks, not in normal roads or speed racing tracks), it's better to land on a downward slope, as it opposes less the the car's downward movement, so compressing less the suspensions.



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yo_john117 on 02 November 2011
RolStoppable said:
yo_john117 said:
pezus said:

Hmm...I remain sceptical. He already declared that he didn't care much about racing games anymore. Maybe it was Rol? He seemed knowledgeable about the secrets of the poll fixing.

Hmmm that is a very Rol-like thing to do.

Are you kidding me? My modus operanti is to put out everything in the open and see people going crazy over it.

Then again, I do have a rather big secret, but I won't tell.

You can't just say you have a big secret and not say anything about it!