So then, who has the bigger e-peen?

I love statistics and lists like that so I welcome it with open arms. Let me ask you this. Why are you only attacking Michael when there are far worse people than him in this thread like ethomaz, goforgold, zandwane (or whatever his name is) Sure he's obsessive compulsive at defending F4 but he isn't saying anything bad about GT5. Anyone who slags off the other game (especially when they haven't played it) simply cannot be trusted at all. Their opinion are so biasedly useless it's not even funny. 

People really do need to accept reality and admit F4 is on par with GT5 or just leave altogether. Because that is not an opinion, it is a fact. You can sure as hell prefer a game over the other because there's nothing wrong with that but to say the game of your choice is leagues or much better than the other is a straight up bull faced lie.

Because you are committing the same mistake as Michael-5 did... that's not a fact... that's just a opinion.

Fact is when you have real evidence to support it... what evidence show Forza 4 better than GT5??? There are nothing... so that's a opinion.

IMO GT5 is better sim than Forza 4.

Now there are facts like the GT5's Premium cars looking better than Forza 4's cars... or GT5's AI is better than Forza 4's AI (the Forza 3's AI is better than both I guess)... or Forza 4 downgrade the graphics to hold the framerate when there are many cars in the track (I guess the worst AI is because that too... hold the framerate)... there are more features in GT5 than Forza 4... Forza 4 online is way better than GT5 online... etc.

Facts are facts... and I can prove them.

Anyway... the Ferrari F40 show the engine too in GT5... I confirmed that today. I take a picture too but I'm bad at taking pictures.

Tomorrow I will try to take some pictures in-game offscreen to show you how the graphics are near the Replay Mode.

PS. Please... play GT5 to see how biased Michael-5 is.

You know this...how?

I'm not saying F4 is better than GT5 i'm just saying that literally all the evidence points to it being on par in general. Nitpicks aside if you take both games as a whole they are very similar with neither being very superior to the other at all. You can say that IYO GT5 is your prefered game but to say it's better than F4 would be just a plain lie. Same if someone does that with F4.

The post that I quoted way up above of Michaels says it pretty perfectly.

I still can't wait for Inside Sim Racer to do a comparison between the two games.

Fair enough Michael is the most vocal person here. 

But I have to say nobody should view what goforgold is doing as even remotely ok. That type of immature conduct is pure venom for these forums. IMO he's the most immature person on this site right now. Oh well I guess I should probably just ignore him really, that would be the best type of conduct in this situation.

Michael-5 said: ethomaz said: Looks like @Michael-5 not played GT5 after all Don't even joke, I gave you 2 cars in GT5 because you were stuck. goforgold GT5 doesn't have LMP1 or LMP2 cars to buy, I think GT1 and GT2 cars have to be modified from stock cars (can't buy them straight) and over 100 Nissans, but only 12 Ferrarri, 7 Lamborghini's, and 19 BMW's? WOW okay, so GT5 is king of ricers? (joking) Of all the cars in GT5, how many originate from Japan (number and percentage)? Now ask yourself, is this a good representation and spread of sports cars over the world? As for F1, if the car is 1-4 years old, it wouldn't qualify for Formula 1 anymore. What's the race type for old F1 cars? There is a different name for it. Kart racing in GT5 is 1 special event, and it takes 20 minutes to complete. Yes man F1 race drivers started with go karts, but more and more professional race drivers are starting with racing sims now. Having baby features like autobrake and rewind helps get young (like real young) gamers into auto racing. Don't laugh at 1, but then take the other so seriously. PGR arguement is just to show you how little weather means to a racing sim... LOL about night! yes, GT2 also had damage, and then GT3 and GT4 (the two best games of the GT franchise) had neither night, nor damage. Are they pathetic? Geez man every chance you get you rip on Forza, and you think your fair? Forza 4 has endurance races, I'm just not sure how long they are. Turn 10 limited endurance races to 1 hour before, and man that's a lot. If you can play a 24 hour endurance race in 1 shot, then you should own both games. Point to Point Rally - I read Point to Point Races. No Forza doesn't have Point to Point Rally, but GT5 doesn't have on track (or Fuji), point to point races. Forza 3 and Forza 4 have a whole section of the game dedicated to drifting. It's likely under Rivals section. When I said track variants, I meant of the 26 tracks in GT5, how many variants. And yes there are Group C, and Rally cars in Forza 4. I had to look up Group C, but it's there. As for the rest (gotta go so making it fast). There is no simulation damage in GT5, it's a penatly system, car affinities are an extension to the leveling system, GT5 copied Forza's leveling system and only rewards you scarsly, no dyno test, no paint editor, no Clarkson, limited online game types (Forza 4 has a lot more fun types for online play), half the premium cars as in Forza 4, less track varients (over 100 in Forza 4 GT5 is like 70-80), no career mode... So there are just as many if not more no's in GT5 as in Forza 4. You proved jack all, I'll go with the reviews, and the opinions of those who played both games thank you.

Ok so I've rested and now am ready to respond to this steaming pile of crap

you say GT5 dosen't have LMP cars, and this is assuming (which I know for a fact you don't know but for yo-johns sake) you know what a LMP car actually is tell me with your genisus and insight if the following AREN'T LMP cars what are they??

and you also say Forza 4 has Group C cars.....name ONE, that is again assuming (which a again I know you don't but for yo-johns sake) you know what the hell a group C car even is.....

you also say if an F1 car is an old F1 car it no longer counts as F1, and just to back that up, quoted from the post above:

"As for F1, if the car is 1-4 years old, it wouldn't qualify for Formula 1 anymore. What's the race type for old F1 cars? There is a different name for it."- Micheal 5

and to answer your question it called FORMULA ONE or F1 for short, being an older model does NOT stop the car from Being F1 and the fact that you thought is was shows you complete lack of any knowledge and credibility on the subject like.....at all.

on the karting, a crucial stepping stone for anyone looking to be a professional driver should be taken as seriously and auto breaking and rewind feature in attracting new young gamers.....do you read the shit you post? see GT5's "THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR" actually means just that, Kart racing is what all young drivers will have to go through to become pro. I fear for the poor young moron that think they are going to get anywhere in motorsport with rewind and auto breaking, neither of which are or would be recommended for newcomers anywhere in motor sport, but they'll all ALL recommend Kart racing if you where to tell this kid (Lewis Hamilton F1 08 WDC btw) he'd be a F1 world champion, he would probably believe you seeing as he's going through the proper steps to getting to that world

oh and for the bu-but it's only in teh special events

yeah try again

Track Variants kinda back fired huh, what do you want a total count or something, be more specific

"LOL about night! yes, GT2 also had damage, and then GT3 and GT4 (the two best games of the GT franchise) had neither night, nor damage. Are they pathetic? Geez man every chance you get you rip on Forza, and you think your fair?"

GT3 and GT4 came out last gen, Forza 4 released last fucking WEEK, I mean seriously man

about endurance races: Endurance are the closest thing we well ever get to knowing what's it's like to push not only our selves but our cars as well, to the limits of a professional race car driver, see Racing is more than just doing a few laps, things like pit stagey are entirely game changing in professional events and often determine the winner of a race. how can you get that with a race that last 10 minutes???

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-v1-03-update-now-available/ <-- simulation damage

so my A SPEC and B SPEC level increasing in GT4 last gen on the ps2 wasn't a leveling system.....hmmm the more you know

no paint editor *who gives a fuck

no Clarkson *a- WAIT............. no Clarkson......did you really just say no fucking Clarkson, GT5 is less of a racing sim because Jeremy Clarkson Narrates Forza 4

words cannot begin to describe the fail, you have completely transcended the realms reality into pure and utter delusion, your complete lack of knowledge, blatant misinformation, and extreme bias has not just robbed you of credibility but of any bit of logic and sense you may have left on the matter. To say GT5 doesn't have things that are in the opening cinematic....how....how can someone be as clueless as you, you say you've played GT5 yet continuously spit out blatant misinformation, while simultaneously parading yourself around as the "reasonable" one is almost as laughable as it is sad, until one realizes your serious, and then it's just sad. Seriously I don't know what to tell you man

You people are still at this? Geez...

And now it's even worse. Michael, you said you played GT5 and yet your current questioning line regarding GT5 features are way off for someone who did as extensively as you said you did. Goforgold answered them, albeit a bit too rough for my taste, which is a shame as it will only perpetuate the never-ending cycle that this thread has seemed to fall into.

Goforgold, we get it, you're a massive GT5 fan, we already know. But just limit commenting into GT5, not Forza 4 because it also seems you haven't played it and are basing your comparisons between both games in the field of experience (GT5) vs conjectures (Forza 4). In that aspect, you're doing the same as Ethomaz, so you're also contributing to the state of the thread now.

Please people, let it go, for all your sakes. Your continuous ramblings on this threads are just bringing to the surface all the fallacies in both your logic and your actual knowledge of both games and no longer does each side have any right (and I don't think they ever did) to continue this thread any longer as both sides are unwilling to accept any kind of outcome other than "My game is better than yours and you better accept it".

I did the go karts on the ring to in GT5 but I didn't know people actually did it for real. That looks so awesome.

But what is going on at 5:40, 2 persons on 1 kart??

Really? Is that all you honestly see?

Those type of posts are incredibly childish and virtually every other post of his is just done in pure anger.