Both games are good, this argument has gotten really dumb, and it will never be solved. I dunno how this one PS3 vs. 360 arguement got so big.

Question - Do I fall into the FM4 fanboy category? I love both games.

Aside - I just wanted to show people the Forza Motorsport 4 is a real, and probably the best racing sim. Before this thread people would comment that you don't need to brake in FM3 while cornering, and the physics were a joke, and that's just not the case. Forza Motorsport as a franchise gets so much trash talk on this website, and it's just stupid. I want Forza to get the same recognition as GT, as the franchise has really worked it's way up to that level of quality, but it seems all FM4's level of quality has done is segregate the fans. Stop hating the competition.

Aside2 - Also, when I read the comments. GT5 fans like to say Forza looks like crap (Forza 4 cars looking like GT5 standard cars? unrealistic sound, poor lighting, etc), but Forza fans just argue Forza looks good or  better then GT5. This might not mean a lot to most, but I think we can cut at least 50% of the trash talking if people just accept both look good. Especially if the people who have not played Forza 4 didn't immediatly insult it.

Actually no, Forza fans don't limit themselves to that. If they did, then they would have taken the big man's route and left the GT5 fanboys act like little children. Instead you also got Forza fans pulling some arsinine BS pictures about the pixelization and other stuff, that while those things are present on the game, it doesn't impact the game and it isn't noticeable at all since most people don't care about it. Just like the GT5 fans pulling random pictures and videos about the lack of real time reflections and whatnot, who cares? Does that impact the enjoyability of a sims? No it doesn't. 

Heck, GPL and GP2 are still some of my favourite Sims of all time and they're a 1998 and 1996 videogames. People need to start enjoying both games, stop being utterly defensive about one or the other and stop with these threads. Not only are they "noise" for the forums, it only gives a poor image of the people arguing about it. Both sides are acting like crap on this argument and it's really sad. It's just like the Forza 3 vs GT5 threads all over again. 

And yes, I consider everyone on this thread who has stooped down to the BS levels for each respective game a fanboy. I enjoyed Forza 3 a lot, it was my favourite console sim when it released, by far (heck I only missed about 50 GS or so from getting the full 1000 back when I still had my 360), but my experience with GT5 was more satisfying. And that's that, there's no reason to do what people in this thread and countless others are doing/did.

Well on both sides, there is nothing wrong with showing the limitations of both games. I was not aware that Forza 4 looked different in Hot Lap, or 12 person race, and although I have yet to test this, I'll accept it.

People critisizing the way they drive (Forza 4 is a joke sim, or whatever complaints people make about GT5) are not needed though.

You are right though, both games looks amazing, and these little hiccups don't change the overall quality of the game. Both look spectacular, and you are right, this just like FM3 vs. GT5 threads again.

Respect. I just feel personally Forza gets attacked a lot more then GT as it's a newer IP, and the website in general has a lot of blind PS supporters, and few 360 fans. Guess I am too defensive, but I mean no harm, and it's really annoying when people insult the physics of Forza, and have no clue what they are talking about. I mean most of the people insulting Forza 4 here haven't even played it.

Both games are great, I just wished, like you said, people can enjoy them.

I don't like being looked at as a fanboy

Not all standard cars are bad... the Punto posted here shows the GT5 standard is on pair with Forza 4.

Actually no, Forza fans don't limit themselves to that. If they did, then they would have taken the big man's route and left the GT5 fanboys act like little children. Instead you also got Forza fans pulling some arsinine BS pictures about the pixelization and other stuff, that while those things are present on the game, it doesn't impact the game and it isn't noticeable at all since most people don't care about it. Just like the GT5 fans pulling random pictures and videos about the lack of real time reflections and whatnot, who cares? Does that impact the enjoyability of a sims? No it doesn't. 

Heck, GPL and GP2 are still some of my favourite Sims of all time and they're a 1998 and 1996 videogames. People need to start enjoying both games, stop being utterly defensive about one or the other and stop with these threads. Not only are they "noise" for the forums, it only gives a poor image of the people arguing about it. Both sides are acting like crap on this argument and it's really sad. It's just like the Forza 3 vs GT5 threads all over again. 

And yes, I consider everyone on this thread who has stooped down to the BS levels for each respective game a fanboy. I enjoyed Forza 3 a lot, it was my favourite console sim when it released, by far (heck I only missed about 50 GS or so from getting the full 1000 back when I still had my 360), but my experience with GT5 was more satisfying. And that's that, there's no reason to do what people in this thread and countless others are doing/did.

Yeah I was actually surprised they sounded so alike. The real life one actually sounds even louder than the one in F4 but that is probably because the real life one had the windows open some.

Still they are shockingly similar. So Forza 4 sound is not overdone than...at least not for this specific car.

One thing I do know though is pretty much all cars are loud when you put the pedal to the metal. I know my 2001 Mitsubishi Mirage is pretty damn loud when I gun it (and it sounds surprisingly good for being a rather shit car in the grand scheme of things)

BTW this is a bit off topic but do you know what class my car would be in if it was in Forza? I would guess it would be a low/middle end D car but I'm not sure.

Well on both sides, there is nothing wrong with showing the limitations of both games. I was not aware that Forza 4 looked different in Hot Lap, or 12 person race, and although I have yet to test this, I'll accept it.

People critisizing the way they drive (Forza 4 is a joke sim, or whatever complaints people make about GT5) are not needed though.

You are right though, both games looks amazing, and these little hiccups don't change the overall quality of the game. Both look spectacular, and you are right, this just like FM3 vs. GT5 threads again.

Respect. I just feel personally Forza gets attacked a lot more then GT as it's a newer IP, and the website in general has a lot of blind PS supporters, and few 360 fans. Guess I am too defensive, but I mean no harm, and it's really annoying when people insult the physics of Forza, and have no clue what they are talking about. I mean most of the people insulting Forza 4 here haven't even played it.

Both games are great, I just wished, like you said, people can enjoy them.

I don't like being looked at as a fanboy

Yes, you are all rabid fanboys and foaming at the mouth! lol!j/k

Just ask yourself this

1. did i argue by showin how "insert game here" is awsome by just showing images and videos while showing respect for the other game? if yes = your ok.

2. did i argue by trying to make "insert game here" look like crap by cherry picking through images and videos that are not representative of the actual game? if yes = your an ass

He mostly went the number 1 route.

Yes he did.