best not to as the band hammer would be the least of your problems

They're both cut from the same cloth, plus they're both hypocrites that scurry to find any BS from the other's game just to feel good about their own game. The amount of BS pictures, videos and comments from both sides on this thread should be enough proof of that.

They should be happy that they ahve GT5 and F4 to play..me? I has no gamezzzzzz on my 3DS!!! and the only games i'm interested in are releasing next year!! damn it!

Pfft every one knows the 3DS really has no games...wait, I have a 3DS game on my playing list? Damn VGC glitches  

It seems people in here are only happy when comparing their e-peen

Not all standard cars are bad... the Punto posted here shows the GT5 standard is on pair with Forza 4.

ethomaz, play Forza 4. It just isn't, and I don't know what you are trying to do by even suggesting this. I fell like your trolling. The standard cars n GT5 look like PGR3 cars at best. It's sub Forza 2. They fixed the pixels, but it's just not the same, not even close.

It really makes a difference to play the game on your tv. The audio and still streamed videos can only go so far on your laptop/tower. You need to hear the game with proper sound, and see the game on the best monitor you have to judge. You've seen what GT5 can do on your TV, I really think you should play Forza 4 on your TV, without subjectivity, before you continue making insulting posts toward Forza 4.

I know you want to defend GT5, it's amazing, but don't do it by insulting a game you haven't played before.

Both games are good, this argument has gotten really dumb, and it will never be solved. I dunno how this one PS3 vs. 360 arguement got so big.

Question - Do I fall into the FM4 fanboy category? I love both games.

Aside - I just wanted to show people the Forza Motorsport 4 is a real, and probably the best racing sim. Before this thread people would comment that you don't need to brake in FM3 while cornering, and the physics were a joke, and that's just not the case. Forza Motorsport as a franchise gets so much trash talk on this website, and it's just stupid. I want Forza to get the same recognition as GT, as the franchise has really worked it's way up to that level of quality, but it seems all FM4's level of quality has done is segregate the fans. Stop hating the competition.

Aside2 - Also, when I read the comments. GT5 fans like to say Forza looks like crap (Forza 4 cars looking like GT5 standard cars? unrealistic sound, poor lighting, etc), but Forza fans just argue Forza looks good or  better then GT5. This might not mean a lot to most, but I think we can cut at least 50% of the trash talking if people just accept both look good. Especially if the people who have not played Forza 4 didn't immediatly insult it.

Actually no, Forza fans don't limit themselves to that. If they did, then they would have taken the big man's route and left the GT5 fanboys act like little children. Instead you also got Forza fans pulling some arsinine BS pictures about the pixelization and other stuff, that while those things are present on the game, it doesn't impact the game and it isn't noticeable at all since most people don't care about it. Just like the GT5 fans pulling random pictures and videos about the lack of real time reflections and whatnot, who cares? Does that impact the enjoyability of a sims? No it doesn't. 

Heck, GPL and GP2 are still some of my favourite Sims of all time and they're a 1998 and 1996 videogames. People need to start enjoying both games, stop being utterly defensive about one or the other and stop with these threads. Not only are they "noise" for the forums, it only gives a poor image of the people arguing about it. Both sides are acting like crap on this argument and it's really sad. It's just like the Forza 3 vs GT5 threads all over again. 

And yes, I consider everyone on this thread who has stooped down to the BS levels for each respective game a fanboy. I enjoyed Forza 3 a lot, it was my favourite console sim when it released, by far (heck I only missed about 50 GS or so from getting the full 1000 back when I still had my 360), but my experience with GT5 was more satisfying. And that's that, there's no reason to do what people in this thread and countless others are doing/did.

Someone pointed out the window is open in the above comparision. I want to add that cameras also distort quality, and wind noise makes the car quieter in the real life video over Forza.

The Ferrarri sounds right in Forza, as do most cars (I can vouch for the Camero, and a handful of others). Not overdone at all, Forza did a good job replicating all the little sounds a reving engine makes. Actually to be honest, most cars in real life are still much louder then in Forza 4, it could still use some work to make the lower end cars sound more racy.

As for the Mitsubishi Mirage. Low D? LOL I'll assume you have the top spec 1.6L 172bhp model. Well a 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse has 210hp, and it's an F138. However the 1995 GSX is an E256 with the same engine. Also a Honda Fit with 117bhp is a F130. So wow.... it really depends on how the car handles. You are probably still a low F either way. The only way your car could be a low D was if you modified it to have 250-300bhp, and tuned the suspension to mimic a Lancer better. I bet like the Eclipse, your car does roll a lot on corners.

About car sound in F4, and just from what I could hear in the youtube videos posted, dream cars sounds look OK, it's small cars sounds that look a little overdone, I never heard cars like the VW Fox making such a vigorous and fiercely clean sound, although tuned ones, and with noise dampening panels removed should have a far fiercer sound than standard ones, but while the Fox in the American track partially using an oval was surely tuned, given its performances, and so the sound could be almost right, the one in the car bowling video was surely a standard one. About performances, I could see a tuned Fox beating faster but bigger cars in a tight track, but I'm a little bit suspicious about it ending 5th and keeping so many faster cars behind in a circuit with few turns and just one or two tight ones and a long straight like that portion of oval, but maybe it was a very good pilot against meh real ones or standard AI ones...