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Marks said:
Wow Parise and Suter to Minnesota...looks like this is the NBA now, Minny trying to buy a Cup. I hope they fall flat.

I was really hoping Suter would go to Detroit. But I'm pleased with Phoenix picking up Sullivan to replace Ray Whitney. I hope he stays healthy, and should be good for 20 goals or so.

A good article for anyone interested on the future of the Coyotes. It really does not look that good. 

Glendale taxpayers threaten to torpedo Coyotes sale


Once again, threats to the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes are mounting, which means the NHL is facing some unappetizing choices over the future of the franchise.

A petition to overturn a city sales-tax increase was delivered to suburban Glendale city officials Thursday. It could torpedo Greg Jamison’s proposed purchase of the Coyotes from the league.

Another petition to put the lease for Jobing.com Arena, one that is to pay prospective owner Greg Jamison $324-million (all currency U.S.) over 20 years, to a public vote is due either Monday or July 16. The date is the subject of some legal wrangling between Glendale and the two taxpayers who are gathering signatures.

But if the petition is filed and upheld, then the lease approved by city council last month will go into limbo until November when it will be the subject of a referendum along with the sales-tax increase in the municipal election.

Glendale council voted last month to raise its share of sales tax to 2.9 per cent Aug. 1 in an effort to deal with a $35-million deficit as well as a $20-million payment to Jamison for managing the arena. The increase is expected to raise $22-million but it is opposed by many business owners. (Including county and state taxes, the current sales tax in Glendale is 9.5 per cent; the increase would take it to more than 10 per cent).

If the tax hike is voted down, it is possible Glendale officials can make other cuts to raise the money to pay Jamison. However, acting city manager Horatio Skeete told the Arizona Republic earlier this week Glendale may not be able to afford the annual management fees owed to Jamison, which come to $94-million in the first five years of the lease. Glendale spokeswoman Julie Frisoni said Skeete will not comment further on the lease.

At the same time, both candidates for mayor in the November election (Mayor Elaine Scruggs is not running) along with five candidates for the seven-member city council, signed a public letter asking Skeete not to sign the lease with the Coyotes. The candidates are “concerned there may not be ample funds to pay everything the lease promises.”

Add it all up and there is a lot more at stake for the NHL team than just the future of Coyotes captain Shane Doan. He is now a free agent but is not looking at offers from other teams until Monday, when he hopes to have a clearer picture about the future of the Coyotes.

However, the future of the team is unlikely to be clear by then. Frisoni said it will take city officials several days to ensure the sales-tax petition meets the state legal requirements and the same process will apply to the petition on the arena lease if the two citizens behind it, Joe Cobb and Ken Jones, get the required signatures (about 2,000) and the dispute over the filing date is settled.

Cobb could not say Thursday if he and Jones will reach their goal but said his door-to-door canvassers tell him “almost everyone is eager to sign the petition.”

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, who was involved in labour negotiations Thursday along with commissioner Gary Bettman, did not respond to a request for comment. However, Frisoni said the city is continuing to work on the sale to Jamison and will deal with any other problems “when and if that happens.”

Frisoni said the NHL extended its management agreement for Jobing.com Arena by 30 days until Aug. 1 in the expectation the sale will be completed by then.

However, since Jamison made it clear he needs the arena lease to complete his purchase of the team, this leaves Bettman and Daly with some unpleasant options.

The first is to continue the NHL’s ownership of the Coyotes for one more year, which means paying for losses that could be more than $40-million. But there will likely be no $25-million payment from Glendale to offset the losses.

In the last two years, the city agreed to pay $50-million to the NHL to cover some of the losses but budget woes left Glendale $5-million short of this year’s payment. Frisoni said there has been no discussion of another payment if the NHL can’t sell the team.

The NHL could hope to recoup any losses next season from a buyer by tacking them on to the purchase price. However, there is no guarantee a buyer would agree.

Bettman has long refused to consider moving the Coyotes. Doing so now would be difficult but not impossible. But the only candidate with an arena that could be whipped into NHL shape quickly is Quebec City and Bettman has never shown enthusiasm for that move.

In some NHL circles, a more drastic solution is envisioned. The Coyotes could simply be folded, its 23 players sent to other NHL teams through a dispersal draft and the league would operate with 29 teams next season.

This would allow the NHL to collect expansion fees of $200-million or more each from Seattle and Quebec City, the top candidates for NHL teams, rather than a single relocation fee of $60-million or so for the Coyotes. That is a gain of at least $200-million if a total loss of $200-million is assumed on the NHL's investment in the Coyotes.

However, this would create legal headaches with lenders holding the Coyotes franchise as collateral and probably the NHL Players’ Association. So the NHL’s longest limbo dance will continue for now but a nasty choice could be coming quickly.

 



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I'd say to move the Coyotes back to Winnepeg, but it's too late for that. Seattle sounds like a good choice since they recently had their basketball team stolen from them.



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chocoloco said:
Marks said:
Wow Parise and Suter to Minnesota...looks like this is the NBA now, Minny trying to buy a Cup. I hope they fall flat.

I was really hoping Suter would go to Detroit. But I'm pleased with Phoenix picking up Sullivan to replace Ray Whitney. I hope he stays healthy, and should be good for 20 goals or so.

A good article for anyone interested on the future of the Coyotes. It really does not look that good. 

Glendale taxpayers threaten to torpedo Coyotes sale


Once again, threats to the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes are mounting, which means the NHL is facing some unappetizing choices over the future of the franchise.

A petition to overturn a city sales-tax increase was delivered to suburban Glendale city officials Thursday. It could torpedo Greg Jamison’s proposed purchase of the Coyotes from the league.

Another petition to put the lease for Jobing.com Arena, one that is to pay prospective owner Greg Jamison $324-million (all currency U.S.) over 20 years, to a public vote is due either Monday or July 16. The date is the subject of some legal wrangling between Glendale and the two taxpayers who are gathering signatures.

But if the petition is filed and upheld, then the lease approved by city council last month will go into limbo until November when it will be the subject of a referendum along with the sales-tax increase in the municipal election.

Glendale council voted last month to raise its share of sales tax to 2.9 per cent Aug. 1 in an effort to deal with a $35-million deficit as well as a $20-million payment to Jamison for managing the arena. The increase is expected to raise $22-million but it is opposed by many business owners. (Including county and state taxes, the current sales tax in Glendale is 9.5 per cent; the increase would take it to more than 10 per cent).

If the tax hike is voted down, it is possible Glendale officials can make other cuts to raise the money to pay Jamison. However, acting city manager Horatio Skeete told the Arizona Republic earlier this week Glendale may not be able to afford the annual management fees owed to Jamison, which come to $94-million in the first five years of the lease. Glendale spokeswoman Julie Frisoni said Skeete will not comment further on the lease.

At the same time, both candidates for mayor in the November election (Mayor Elaine Scruggs is not running) along with five candidates for the seven-member city council, signed a public letter asking Skeete not to sign the lease with the Coyotes. The candidates are “concerned there may not be ample funds to pay everything the lease promises.”

Add it all up and there is a lot more at stake for the NHL team than just the future of Coyotes captain Shane Doan. He is now a free agent but is not looking at offers from other teams until Monday, when he hopes to have a clearer picture about the future of the Coyotes.

However, the future of the team is unlikely to be clear by then. Frisoni said it will take city officials several days to ensure the sales-tax petition meets the state legal requirements and the same process will apply to the petition on the arena lease if the two citizens behind it, Joe Cobb and Ken Jones, get the required signatures (about 2,000) and the dispute over the filing date is settled.

Cobb could not say Thursday if he and Jones will reach their goal but said his door-to-door canvassers tell him “almost everyone is eager to sign the petition.”

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, who was involved in labour negotiations Thursday along with commissioner Gary Bettman, did not respond to a request for comment. However, Frisoni said the city is continuing to work on the sale to Jamison and will deal with any other problems “when and if that happens.”

Frisoni said the NHL extended its management agreement for Jobing.com Arena by 30 days until Aug. 1 in the expectation the sale will be completed by then.

However, since Jamison made it clear he needs the arena lease to complete his purchase of the team, this leaves Bettman and Daly with some unpleasant options.

The first is to continue the NHL’s ownership of the Coyotes for one more year, which means paying for losses that could be more than $40-million. But there will likely be no $25-million payment from Glendale to offset the losses.

In the last two years, the city agreed to pay $50-million to the NHL to cover some of the losses but budget woes left Glendale $5-million short of this year’s payment. Frisoni said there has been no discussion of another payment if the NHL can’t sell the team.

The NHL could hope to recoup any losses next season from a buyer by tacking them on to the purchase price. However, there is no guarantee a buyer would agree.

Bettman has long refused to consider moving the Coyotes. Doing so now would be difficult but not impossible. But the only candidate with an arena that could be whipped into NHL shape quickly is Quebec City and Bettman has never shown enthusiasm for that move.

In some NHL circles, a more drastic solution is envisioned. The Coyotes could simply be folded, its 23 players sent to other NHL teams through a dispersal draft and the league would operate with 29 teams next season.

This would allow the NHL to collect expansion fees of $200-million or more each from Seattle and Quebec City, the top candidates for NHL teams, rather than a single relocation fee of $60-million or so for the Coyotes. That is a gain of at least $200-million if a total loss of $200-million is assumed on the NHL's investment in the Coyotes.

However, this would create legal headaches with lenders holding the Coyotes franchise as collateral and probably the NHL Players’ Association. So the NHL’s longest limbo dance will continue for now but a nasty choice could be coming quickly.

 

Cool thanks man, I'm just headed out now so I'll read this next time I'm on. 



Looks like a lockout is in store for this year



hollabackenny said:
Looks like a lockout is in store for this year

Let's hope not.  I have no desire to watch basketball at all this season.



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amp316 said:
hollabackenny said:
Looks like a lockout is in store for this year

Let's hope not.  I have no desire to watch basketball at all this season.

Oh, I hope not either and I'm with you on that one. Apparently they have until September 15th to reach an agreement or the doors are locked. 

For anyone not up to date:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=639507 



hollabackenny said:
amp316 said:
hollabackenny said:
Looks like a lockout is in store for this year

Let's hope not.  I have no desire to watch basketball at all this season.

Oh, I hope not either and I'm with you on that one. Apparently they have until September 15th to reach an agreement or the doors are locked. 

For anyone not up to date:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=639507 


Yeah, it doesn't sound good.  Let's hope that they get this settled soon.



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Wow Kenny, it will be dark times indeed if the NHL loses another year.It often causes many players to back to Europe and sometimes not come back. To have Gary Bettemen have a third lockout under his watch is unacceptable to me. I will be watching this more closely now.



Really surprised today to learn that Yesterday the Avalanche named Gabriel Landeskog the youngest Captain in NHL history at 19. I mean the guy seems perfect: Captain of every team he has played on, blonde, blue, eyed European pretty boy, ladies man, who speaks English like a Native and born leader. Along with that he forechecks and checks like a scrapper and scores like a potential all star, certainly going to be one of the best two way players for many years. Still, I think this also shows the Avalanches unwillingness to pay for a really good all star veteran over the last couple of years. They are growing a great young team, but this is really early to call a guy a Captain. Landeskog has been called almost a perfect person and will lead with his voice and example. Still, he is also younger than every other man on the team. One good thing this shows is the Avs are truly intrusted in keeping him a long time and that is surly the right call.

Go Avalanche! Fuck Minnesota. OH !



spurgeonryan said:
NHL Lock out! Pay problems?

The Candian's on here probably know better than me because for the most part the NHL is not talking about it. It is explained in Kenny's link, but considering how I have not heard much about it I would assume it not going to happen. Heaven forbid I have to watch basketball to fill the void.